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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes 1981-08-11Mayor Gus Nicolopulos Vice Mayor Roberta Cerri Teglia Council: Ronald G. Acosta Mark N. Addiego Emanuele N. Damonte AGENDA Adjourned Regular Meeting PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE CALL TO ORDER: (Side 2 TF-O01) 1981-82 Budget Review: Communications: Vice Mayor Teglia arrived: MINUTES CITY COUNCIL City Council Conference Room August ll, 1981 !65 ACTION TAKEN Adjourned Regular Meeting Recited. 6:15 p.m. Mayor Nicolopulos presiding. Council present: Damonte, Addiego and Nicolopulos. Council absent: Acosta and Teglia City Manager Birkelo stated that there would be a continued review of the proposed budget for 1981-82. Assistant to City Manager Wilson requested that Council authorize the City to release those revenue sharing funds previously allocated to those agencies having cash flow problems. He further explained that the usual procedure was that after Council approved the allocation these were logged into the non-departmental budget, and after tentative approval of the budget the funds are released. Consensus of Council to release the funds to those agencies expressing cash flow problems. Discussion followed concerning the staffing; possibility of consolidat- ing with the Police Department. Vice Mayor Teglia arrived at 6:20 p.m. Further discussion ensued relative to investigating the consolidation of the Communications Division and Police Department; economics involved; training of staff, with a request by Council to meet in January, 1982 to discuss the issue of consolidation. Discussion continued relative to salary expentiure; equipment maintenance cost; building maintenance 8/11/81 Page 1 Communications - Continued: Councilman Acosta arrived: RECESS: RECALL: Police Department: costs; overtime costs; personnel turnover within the last fiscal year; operations within the division; volume of calls occuring within a year's time; police and fire trans- actions; warrant processing; computer messages; volume of work; the importance of monitoring the TV cameras for security purposes; staff development and seminars. Councilman Acosta arrived at 6:55 p.m. Discussion followed on recruitment of personnel; specifications and pressures related to the dispatcher positions; working conditions; questions asked by residents concerning operational policy; procedures when responding to calls; possi~lity of providing a tape to Cable Television in order to educate the public on the procedure followed when a call is received; possible purchase of additional radio equipment; maintenance and upgrading of equi~pment; telephone etiquette; recording of emergency calls and other related matters. Mayor Nicolopulos declared a recess at 7:30 p.m. The meeting was recalled to order at 7:40 p.m., all Council present. Discussion followed on the adjustment of salary and wage costs due to the increased ICAP personnel; training costs; overtime and benefit costs; reserve program; use of the computer in crime analysis; various functions of personnel; community crime statistics; provision of field services; injuries; sick leave; types of crimes being committed; impact of crime upon the City; the fact that there is a 13% decrease in crime within the City; possibility of increasing penalties for crimes committed within the City; crime analyzation; possibility of crimes being committed and not being reported; conviction rates for felony arrests; patrol and investigative efforts; increase in level of service 8/11/81 Page 2 AGENDA ACTION TAKEN 167 Police Department - Continued: Parks and Recreation -Recreation: Parks and Recreation - Parks: provided to the citizens; demands upon the Police Department with the increased population in relation to the number of Police personnel; community relations; the Police Service Technician Program; wage negotiations; types of complaints registered by the citizens regarding the actions of the department; the influence of other communities upon South San Francisco; laxity of enforcement of various laws; areas of concern within the department and Council's concern that a standard of service be maintained; changing of moral standards within society; effect of legislation upon the average citizen; establishment of priorities; towing of abandoned vehicles; number of citations issued in a week's time, etc. Discussion followed on costs of salaries; administrative costs; part-time salaries; special services account; estimated fee revenue increasing by 17% in the coming year; program costs; various programs which are offered through the Recreation Division; needs of the community being addressed by the programs which are offered; fees charged to non- residents when registering for classes; effect of proposition 13 on the fees charged; accommodating the recreational needs of the young; soccer; supervision problems; appropriations to the Recreation Division over the past l0 years; types of services provided; number of part-time and full-time positions; attendance figures for recreational activities, with a compliment by Vice Mayor Teglia on the creativeness of the Recreation Department. Discussion followed on communications and morale; inconsistent implementation of policy; Director of Parks and Recreation Norton explained that he had met with each member of the Park Division and indicated the changes which had sub- sequently been made to address their concerns; impact of increased workload upon employees; levels of maintenance; areas of concern; maintenance of median strips; the need for additional 8/11/81 Page 3 AGENDA ACTION TAKEN Parks - Continued: RECESS: RECALL: L i bra ry: Councilman Damonte left the dais: manpower to properly maintain levels of standard; use of herbicides to cut down on the growth of weeds; plans to submit a monthly report to Council on the activities of the Parks Division relative to the amount of work completed; concerns over safety when working on the median strips; projected improvements for Orange Memorial Park; quality of work performed; costs of maintaining median strips; signal traffic con- troller, etc. Mayor Nicolopulos declared a recess at 10:30 p.m. The meeting was recalled to order at 10:35 p.m., all Council present. Discussion followed on full time and part time salaries; maintenance of book collection; materials and services; maintenance of occupied space;capital outlay; reference program; reassessment of children's collection. Councilman Damonte left the dais at 10:50 p.m. Further discussion ensued concerning the goals and objectives of 'the Library; circulation; staff attitudes; physical appearance of the libraries; reorganization of collections; on-going workshops for staff; consultant studies to assess the on-going needs of the Library; technical processes within the department; evaluation of collection; communication within in the department; automated cataloging; ways of encouraging usage of the Library for children; need for input by employees; the use of News Releases concerning activities in the Library; streamlining of routines with- in the system; addressing the needs of the community, etc. Consideration of a date to review the non-departmental budget. M/S Acosta/Addiego - To adjourn to Wednesday, August 12, 1981, at 7:00 p.m., in the City Hall Conference 8/1l/8 Page 4 AGENDA ACTION TAKEN 169 ADJOURNMENT: RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Room, 400 Grand Avenue, South San Francisco, California. Carried by unanimous voice vote. Time of adjournment 11:25 p.m. APPROVED: Barbara A. B6ttaya, C%ty ~lerk6/ City of South San Francisco 'Gu~ Nicolopulos, May~f'~ City of South San Francisco The entries of this Council meeting show the action taken by the City Council to dispose of an item. Oral presentations, arguments, and comments are recorded on tape. The tape and documents related to the items are on file in the office of the City Clerk and are available for inspection, review and copying. 8/11/81 Page 5 VERBATIM MINUTES REQUESTED BY COUNCILWOMEN TEGLIA BECAUSE TAPE WAS CLOBBERED 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 1 BIRKELO: MR. PALLADINO: NICOLOPULOS: ACOSTA: PALLADINO: ACOSTA: DAVIS: ACOSTA: DAVIS: ACOSTA: DAVIS: ACOSTA: TEGLIA: I think you received a copy from the Chamber with regard to their request, maybe you would like to have Mr. Palladino from the Chamber respond. Tony Palladino, President of the Chamber of Commerce, South San Francisco, we presented a brief summary of those services that the Chamber provided to the City of South San Francisco and we respectfully request the amount of $20,000 for these services rendered, and I will be more than happy to discuss the items included in the presentation. Any comments? Council or the liaison did ask to develop a working program force for the other members of Council, and I guess this is what you are saying -- a work program of what the chamber does for the City: the mailing of information about South San Francisco. Could you go into that a little more? I have with me Mr. Les Davis, the Executive Vice President, who runs the day-to-day affairs of the Chamber and I would like to bring Les up to address that particular question. If you would. Les Davis, Executive Vice President of the Chamber, in answer to your request - through the Chair - the 16,000 ounces of mail include a variety of printing material of communications, maps and brochures, various items along with research and statistics which were compiled from public companies. What I am asking, the inquiries are not designed as seeking information from the City? Yes, yes, that is mail sent throughout the country maybe for a resident or a businessman providing them with the names of real estate people and the properties available and the costs. On the printing, 5,000 city maps annually, I always presumed the Engineering;Department made up the maps. Are we talking about a different type of map? You say print and distribute to each department. Yes, for the Fire and Police Departments, it's a map 20 X 38. That is the smaller one. Do you have any samples of the materials you distribute? 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 2 DAVIS: DAMONTE: DAVIS: DAMONTE: DAVIS: DAMONTE: DAVIS: TEGLIA: DAVIS: TEGLIA: DAVIS: ADDIEGO: DAVIS: ACOSTA: DAVIS: Yes, you have it. Over the years we presented the packet with printed material -- the packet~we provide those to you. I am wondering, regarding that packet, how often do you update it? It's done every three years and it's in the process of being updated right now. The map had many new locations. Gellert changed the map as soon as it came out and the Kimbell, Michelle Court area and those will be added with the new map that will be printed in ten days. And a lot of other information has been changed. I hope it has not been sent out because it gives a false picture. The minute it is presented, it is obsolete. We do change them. I think what Mr. Damonte was saying -- it was outdated by many years. If you are talking about the brown covered brochure... Outdated. The outer sheet is outdated, that is the State of California and that is reprinted in the PEP (sic)... The entire brochure with the quotations from the leaders of the community, one was in the building industry. We have some other dealings with him right now, and it doesn't seem acceptable. How many do you print up. On that particular item it was printed in 1971 and done in a pictorial mode so it wouldn't become outdated, and it has a fast-back and for those interested we xeroxed it with the real estate for either business or residential. It's hotels looking for information, it brings the person inquiring up-to-date information on the source. This is why we are here and why this request. Les, on item No. 5 publishing shopping guides for the general public that you update each year... Yes. it was done by Ramon in Burlingame, in Daly City and they turned that over to us three years ago. 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 3 ACOSTA: DAVIS: ACOSTA: DAVIS: Then those who advertise in a section pay for the publishing. Let's get down to the next one, conducting the Miss South San Francisco Pageant by the request of the City of South San Francisco. It has been conveyed that the City wanted you to conduct the Pageant and I want to discuss whether we want you to have that burden, or perhaps the Chamber would want to do it on its own. Well, some of this was discussed by the liaison, I guess what I am saying is I want to get your point of view on the expenses of the Pageant. I think it was in 1967 or 1968 when the Chamber was asked to take over the Pageant. Each year thereafter the San Mateo County Fair requested that City Council designate to hold a Dream Girl and each year it was filled out by City Hall that the Chamber would hold it, and we have done it for twelve years. As far as the support is concerned for a period of time the City marked up to $3,000 for the purpose of putting on the Pageant. Then after Proposition 13 the money was not available and we drew the money, it costs in the neighbor- hood of $6,000 each year and $2,000 in scholarships. As far as advertising, the girl who wins goes to Santa Cruz for the California Pageant as one of 32 contestants as an applicant; and if there is any advertising derived from that it is done within the two hours while on the television. You will recall we had a girl who was the fourth runner-up and was announced and it was a city rather than a district, so this is what we believe you wanted in advertising. The businessmen who pay for it get nothing out of it. We are putting on a show, if you don't want it the Board of Directors will consider dropping it. You say you conduct the blood drive there and save the citizens thousands of dollars. Anyone in South San Francisco who needs blood would, hen have the opportunity to draw on that fund Yes, without repayment or replacement. This is held quarterly, we have a reserve of 700 pints. We have on some occasions given out as much as 200 pints. Any resident of South San Francisco has an unlimited supply of blood, any worker has a maximum of five pints who lives out of South San Francisco, but it could be more and depending on the amount of reserves. Anyone who moves from the City and then carries a credit for the amount he has in his account. It is co-sponsored with the Lions Club, because the Lions Club sponsors the break- fast - which is a secondary effect, the Lions put it on for the less fortunate. The Lions donated all of the blood in its reserve to the Chamber when it started the fund and have ever since. 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 4 NICOLOPULOS: TEGLIA: I think we have a basic difference in financial contri- butions which is causing concern - the Chamber thinks they need more money. I think the Council has to decide something tonight - that we have to give roles to the Chamber and ourselves what roles we could play and what they could play so they have membership and we have appreciation and this is causing a difference. I'm asking the Council what do you think it is time to discuss them, once we go through the job will be easier. I think it is a policy direction so the Chamber knows how we stand. I think until we do that we will have differences that won't do any good. I am open to discussion. This afternoon I did some calling, partly in San Bruno, Daly City and Pacifica to find out what kind of relation- ship existed in the Chamber and the City Hall in those cities to get a basis of comparison. Starting with the City of South San Francisco~you have before you a list of eight items that our Chamber says they perform on behalf of South San Francisco, to which we subsidize their activity to the tune of $7,500. The number of businesses numbers 2,050, the sales tax revenue $5,509,000 rounded off, which denotes a healthy business climate in the community. Our Chamber of Commerce membership was a low of 271 and a high of 294 with an annual budget of $59,744 and we subsidize $7,500 to rent their own space or provide their own space. In Millbrae there are 445 businesses, the membership is 135, their annual budget is very close to ours and they are subsidized $3,200 and everyone!,prints something and distributes and prepares economic profiles-that is not anything new. Many of these around, do not publish a shoppers guide;also in Millbrae beyond what every Chamber does the staff and the promotion, etc. They sponsor the Dream Girl and a wine festival and this has 335 participants. In San Bruno they also rent their own space. In San Bruno they have 1,150 businesses, 250 members comprise the Chamber and receive no subsidy and do everything our Chamber does; and they sponsor the street fair. They do not sponsor the Pageant, there is another organization in that City that takes that on. The City of San Bruno has a proposal to provide an information center for the City and be staffed five days a week from 8:00 to 5:00 to provide information for San Bruno and work out a deal where the City allows them to build on City property. In the City of Daly City with 1,800 businesses and 167 members of the Chamber, a budget of $53,000 the subsidy is high - $12,000, however that Chamber works directly with the City Council, e~g. working on the community median placing, signs that say welcome to Daly City. They recently went down to the Board of Supervisors with a request from the Council in respect to a position on BART and they are working with the City Council to attract people to Daly City; and they are going out to the community to present the Council's position; selling and putting on economic dev.workshops; handling 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 5 TEGLIA: ACOSTA: DAVIS: the Beauty Pageant and a number of other things besides. Their office space is.provided by the City of Daly City and they are looked upon as an arm of the City Council. In Pacifica there are 700 businesses, many of which are looked upon as home businesses, with a sales tax of $682,000 a year. They have 150 members and an annual budget of $26,000 City subsidized with $8,000 and rent their own office space. They do everything that ours does and in addition they participate in the annual Frontier Days, sponsor a tournament and do not put on a pageant. My reason for bringing all of this out is that it is my feeling that the other cities are getting quite a bit of mileage from the money they invest and I am looking for more than was presented, more active, more promotion and perhaps we failed by not indicating what we wanted. So at this point I am not interested in giving you $20,000 - after giving you $7,500. That is how I feel about giving you $7,500 in the first place. I am not interested in giving you $20,000! I do not know how anyone else feels about this, but I have a problem in looking at some of the information - you publish a listing of clubs and organizations in the City. That is not a big job, it's productive but it basically fits an 8½ x 11" sheet that is published, you run them off and you stuff them and send them out. I am sure it is 15,000 ounces but I don't see that as a good thing - it's not the same as getting out into the community and promoting, and that is what I am looking for -- maybe someone else has some ideas. I had originally made my presentation, but hearing what you just said and after making my statement I want, and still do want a closer relationship with the Chamber in relation to the City. You do get City related calls in a sense, what I wanted - say a business wanted to come into South San Francisco and the liaison would be the Chamber of Commerce and they would walk them through the shortcuts of doing certain things. There are certain departments that handle certain things like ordinances and fire regulations, business licenses that a person needs advice on, these are the things the Chamber has to do that are necessary for the City of South San Francisco in the way of promotion and more as an arm of the City. This is why I thought there could be a better relationship with the Chamber and the Council to develop these things. Most of us think if you went to another city you would prelimininarily go to the Chamber to find out the statistics, and if the Chamber cannot give you the answer then that is what I want through the relationship with the Council. This is part of our every day occupation, directing them to the right departments, it is a natural thing. 8/18/81 Page 6 ACOSTA: May so Les, but in a sense you have not seen it where it is concrete. Looking at Roberta's statement 2500 businesses in a town, I would think the people coming into business in the City would automatically go into the Chamber. DAVIS: Many do, there was a bad taste in the businessmen's mouth around about the late 5Os, but we are picking up some of the older businesses. We have little trouble with the new businesses to get them in the Chamber but the other ones from this part of the City still have a little bad taste, but we are still growing - by the way it is 295 members as of today. DAMONT E: Looking at percentages regarding the businesses, Millbrae has close to 20% of all the business, Pacifica 21%, Daly City 15% and we are 14%, so we are low and I wonder how vigorously do you pursue members when there is a new store? Do you approach that proprietor? DAVIS: We did hear of a store opening but the man is a member already. DAMONTE: The Mayor and I had an opportunity to walk up through a new section of Westborough and some of those spaces are newly opened businesses and have been for a year. We asked, "Are you a member of the Chamber? Have you been approached by the Chamber." They said no, but I am glad you did attend the ppening of Friedman'st that is what you should do when a business opens. DAVIS: As soon as we find out about it from the local contact, that someone is moving in, then one of the members makes a contact. There are times, when we learn that the man has been there a year. DAMONTE: A brand new building has been there a year and in business, and I would think that you people would be aware of something like a new building - something of that magni- tude and open for business. DAVIS: We have no way of being aware of it unless someone makes us aware. DAMONTE: If someone comes to you - where will you direct them? DAVIS: I send them to City Hall to fill out the papers for the use permit and business license and that the Police and Fire will have to check them out. DAMONTE: Isn't there a reverse directory which you can use to contact the new businesses or find out what new stores have taken out a business license? 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 7 DAVIS: DAMONTE: DAVIS: ADDIEGO: DAVIS: ADDIEGO: ACOSTA: ADDIEGO: ACOSTA: TEGLIA: Some years ago we did get cards for the new licenses but you have changed the program, we do have a printout, but no way of knowing if it is a new business or a re-established business. If you see by the license that they are not a member of the Chamber, wouldn't you approach-them? The figures I got from City Hall~from the printouts -- if we had a method by which we could find out what new licenses were issued in a 90 day period then I could send out a member to approach them - but we don't have that information. I do not feel comfortable with the membership percentages in the various cities, the differences are significant, Daly City is not very successful and we are the only city that is less successful. Perhaps with the Chamber being a part of the government it is hampering the options, because Daly City Government is telling them how to run their organization. There is enough benefit from business promotion itself and as a sidelight you are promoting the City and there is some benefit but the individual things that you are doing for us I think this is more significant of what you are doing for yourself and a spin off for the community as well. I don't think we can pay the majority of those costs. Item 1 and 2... Those are national figures. I think if you were to check it~ it is seventy-five cents to handle a phone call and the average in the San Francisco Examiner is that a business letter today costs any where from $4.94 to $6.63 and those are simply national averages. The City government wants to make the City attractive, in light of sales tax, yet we still remain high. So perhaps the City government has been successful in doing what they do best and perhaps we could stay out of your areas, I don't see the~two coming together and I think they are both generating to each other and I don't see it working together. I was asking that they be working in close relationship, not going to a Board because I think the City has enough representatives but new businesses need permits and they need to get other businesses within the City and then there is an exchange of services. How does government fit into that? Government should not fit in, I would like the Chamber to become more active. More active and I think with the business base and with the help of the City they could be identified with this~ 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 8 TEGLIA: DAMONTE: PA[EADINO: ADDIEGO: PALLADINO: ADDIEGO: I think you could generate your own activity with memberships and servicing them and we'll get the spin-off but I don't think we could be in a City subsidy role. The other cities have some things they sponsor and we have the Downtown Merchants Daze, which they hope to be an annual affair and there is no need for us to get into their affairs. I don't want to function as Daly City does and I leave it to them in their wisdom. I guess I think it's time you look at the number of businesses that are fair game and get them to support your activity and remain members. That is the part that bothers me. The Chamber sells the City to get new businesses in, that is the benefit and buy your membership. It seems you are having trouble to sell your membership to the businesses that exist. Now if you can get out and sell yourself, that you are a viable organization, I think that would take care of a lot of your memberships. Our membership dues structure is one of the lowest on the peninsula. We have structured it to enhance the new members. Getting back to some of the services we perform, the 8,100 phone calls a year which are specifically related to City functions, these are not related to the business community but are called to us. We respond, yet that could have been directed to the City and have a City person would spend the time and effort. Also 16,000 ounces of mail which is promotion of the City and what we do, we are preliminarily responsible to the business community but along the way we perform a lot of services and are asking to be compensated for services. We do many things beneficial to the citizens that do not affect the business community but we feel strongly that our Chamber should be one step ahead of the other Chambers to not only benefit the community at large in other than just in the business function. Mr. Palladino, outside of the realm of business, when you speak of promoting the City, what benefits would we get from the promotion? Other than being a member of the community, it promotes a warm feeling in the City that one citizen passes on to a friend or relative to let them know the things going on in the community. You can't -- you don't have a handle -- you can't put a dollar sign on them. When we look at how we serve our businesses, we offer management services, other city services: sewage, that make the living better. We do that for all aspects of the community and we get into other aspects and we are having a harder time to justify them. PALLADINO: Let me give you an example, we had a transportation within 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 9 PALLADINO: PALLADINO: TEGLIA: PALLADINO: TEGLIA: PALLADINO: the Board of Directors of eighteen businessmen in South San Francisco and we have many committees, one of them deals with transportation. They are having some problems with SAMTRANS going and servicing the area east of Grand Avenue, our committee in response to the city business in that area had taken a study and met with the SAMTRANS people and we saw the needs and tried to fill the need. Now the City is going to benefit from the effort, if we are successful and I am not going.to say we are going to be successful - there could~some problems and more efforts needed. But the City is going to benefit from our spending our volunter services and if you put a dollar sign -- if you~commission~study~'~u may spend $15,000 or $20,000 to get an answer that we are giving you now. We can!t give you a dollar sign, we can't say this costs us $5,000 or $10,000 because it is for the needs of the business community. We are working together and yet we are not but we could assist you. You are a political body and if we goin together... Somewhere down the line we are going, perhaps, to need the muscle of the City and we would be happy when it's necessary to jointly approach the SAMTRANS people. Do you have a copy of that report that you say you have done. If that kind of thing has been documented, that is one thing and secondly with that area that has been an on-going concern to this City. When it set out each City had to set it's own situation and we did and we felt it would be extremely attractive. That doesn't mean times don't change and we hope we can get people out of their automobiles and on buses. We have the Homart people and had some conversations ... Conversations, Mrs. Teglia, we had gone beyond the conversations. We polled the businesses and we got the responses back, it projected out to be that our City shOwed that we had support a ridership of 400 in the morning and 400 in the evening which would more than justify implementing a bus line to run into that area. It is not impossible, but difficult to convince the people that make the decisions in the SAMTRANS that it is sorely needed and many of the businesses mentioned that their employee structure is some what difficult because there is no public transportation in the area and that is something we felt strongly about because a lot of people will not go into that area. Your responding to your own membership? And the City and they are intangible. We perform and not only in keeping with the community but to the well being of the community. 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page l0 NICOLOPULOS: PALLADINO: NICOLOPULOS: ADDIEGO: PALLADINO: DAMONTE: PALLADINO: Any other comments? I would like to interject my thoughts. My philosophy is that the Chamber is selling the City. There has to be a coordination of efforts, but maybe not coordinated together. I am interested in the Chamber having a place in the City and that is why I think this body must make it clearer than we have, just exactly where you fit and how do we assist and in what way. Apparently the monetary things get us caught up -- the thoughts from the Council is that the money has been needed in the past and it feels the returns have not been as expected. It's difficult to measure the success that comes back, it comes back in many ways and you can't get a handle. We do the things that you folks do and that is to keep South San Francisco a good place and promote the City and promote the business community aspect as we can. The issue tonight is money - to give them $20,000 or not. Other things are attached to this and I hope it's done soon so when the money is given to the Chamber and it's justified and that the Chamber will tell what they expect of the Council, then I would feel comfortable. I would like to answer by letting you know that tonight what I have heard does not make me feel comfortable with government being involved with business and I am uncom- fortable with the monetaries. I don't see the two together in this light and I am looking at a time when the City government is not involved in this aspect. If it doesn't happen now then I don't want the subsidy to be increased. We are not looking for subsidies but pay for what we do and I think we have to keep that separated. We are presenting you a contract for services performed but I think the word subsidy should not be a part of whatever action you take. With a subsidy if you don't do this then we are not going to subsidize you next year. We don't want to look at this as a subsidy because you could enforce some of the will of your body on us and I don't think that would be in keeping with a Chamber of Commerce If we are going to give you a contract then we would designate what that money is going to be spent... We don't want to be instructed there may be a time when we oppose some of the City's rulings so where do we stand if you subsidize us it could be contrary to the primary concern of helping the business community. We would be obligated to try to lean towards the City ruling when maybe we feel strong towards the business community. 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page ll TEGLIA: PALLADINO: TEGLIA: PALLADINO: DAVIS: ACOSTA: PALLADINO: ACOSTA: NICOLOPULOS: The question, it seems to me, in all the years that the City has given to the Chamber -- has the City ever restrained you? No, because we performed a service. You paid for a service, you did not subsidize us - you paid for a service. I am not clouding the issue but I am saying the word subsidy doesn't fit into what we are presenting to you. With respect to how each of us feels - I would like to restate that I would like to see a healthy business life in the community. I would like to see a Chamber that serves the City and the community, and then I would be satisfied with the spin-off. I think that is in your ballywick and I think there is enough there to benfit you. I have a problem when we get into the contract -- none of us have gotten into the South San Francisco Pageant, but I think you ought to go out and do what you do best and I think we would be happy to have a Chamber... I think there is another source of funding than what you have provided. Perhaps someday we will get into the ideal situation where the businessmen that are members can fully support all of the functions of the Chamber. Just because of the fact they have a greater budget than ours and it comes from fund raisers and they promote the City and they don't ask the City for a dime. I don't think that is far away. I can't argue with comparing our Chamber with another community and apparently you have done some research so I am at a loss to comment. I would be happy to get into comparing organizations and see if they measure up to the South San Francisco Chamber. I am amazed with the number of businesses and the sales tax of over three million... You have the hotels, the light industry, shopping centers and commercial businesses and the small mama and papa stores. I guess I am saying it's not selling Chamber membership, it takes more time and effort and we are not sitting on our hands waiting for them to come to us. We deal with colunteer help and sometimes your intentions are to double membership and that doesn't always happen. We have an on-going member- ship that is active in promoting membership. Council should come to a decision to give or not to give. Do you have any other members that want to speak from the Chamber? 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 12 STRAZZARINO: TEGLIA: STRAZZARINO: TEGLIA: DAMONTE: Frank Strazzin°, member of the Board of Directors and 2nd Vice President, I think it is apparent that there is a need for better communication in getting some of the feed-back in terms of how we can work together - in terms of the new businesses, if this was a better vehicle and go after the businesses. What concerns me is that we are working hard to promote the City of South San Francisco and we need to work closely with the City Council and and while communication has improved with some of the committees with the time spent together, I think there is still activity up and down the peninsula, but the argument looks like how much better they look than we do. I think the impact I am receiving is that the Chamber is not doing a good job and I am thinking some cities do not have a viable role and we can take a positive approach. I am sure there are cities without Chambers, but the sales tax base is going up and I think that is the difference. We are not here to cut off the Chember, we are saying do what you are doing and and go to the people you are serving and generate your budget. In terms of the member figures there is a campaign going on and we are going out calling and telling them what the Chamber can do for them and we are working on it daily and I think we can develop a better Chamber. The reason we didn't want to call it a subsidy but a contractual basis - we are helping to attract sales tax dollars and that is good for you and the City and I think the dollars are similiar and if we can keep the things in mind. I am not saying we have done everything positively, but maybe working together on a new frontier and attach some of these areas... I know that for a year there has been discussion, and after a year I would expect that you would come to this meeting with a program that noticed items. We have a better idea now, but what you are coming to is not $7,500 but $20,000 based on the past not the future; and recognizing how the Council is looking at the Chamber -- I think the ball is in your court. You have heard what we have to say, if you come up with a program that the Council can contract for... I want to point out that there are 2,000 businesses and you have less than 300 members in the Chamber. I would rather see you promote your organization to the businesses in South San Francisco rather than go outside of South San Francisco and my hope is that they come to South San Francisco because they heard from South San Franciscans - from you, which is not a fact. I know that when we have asked businesses if your members 8/18/81 Council Meeting Page 13 DAMONTE: NICOLOPULOS: DAVIS: NICOLOPULOS: DAMONTE: TEGLIA: DAVIS: TEGLIA: DAVIS: ADDIEGO: DAMONTE: M/S ACOSTA/NICOLOPULOS: VOTE: M/S ACOSTA/NICOLOPULOS: VOTE: M/S Damonte/Addiego: VOTE: of the Chamber of Commerce were promoting your Chamber, but as I said I would rather see you go from within rather than with out. I think before this Council takes a vote I would like to preface this -- we shouldn't cut off the communications I think this Council must keep the communication lines open and I think we will strive for the ... Insofar as members are concerned all the hotels and motels, save one, are members of the Chamber. Yet you chose to give $101,000 to the Convention Bureau, I question it because I don't understand it. I can address that. The thing is that one organization is organized just to promote those establishment and we have had the hotels come before us and solicit our help. Specifically to that organization, because they consider that organization to keep the rooms full. They put out a confidential report, which I received, with a five year projection and there never has been a convention or conference being held in South San Francisco. We don't have the facilities. How can you give $100,000 for one group that does not bring in revenue. That is totally opposite to my philosophy that instead we are becoming more a part of their budget, I don't see the benefit. The thoughts of Council in the past years has been to slowly pull away, so they can become independent and by giving them $10,000 they may become ... $10,000 be given to the Chamber of Commerce and the Chamber is to pursue its membership drive. Motion failed, Damonte, Teglia and Addiego voted no. $7,500 be given to the Chamber of Commerce. Motion failed, Damonte, Tegli.a and Addiego voted no. $5,000 be given to the Chamber of Commerce. Carried by majority vote, Acosta voted no. (ATTACHED IS A LETTER DATED 8/17/81 from the Chamber of Commerce to the City Council requesting $20,000.) SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE P.O. Box 469 · South San Francisco, Ca. 94080 ° 415-588-1911 August 17, 1981 Honorable City Council City of South San Francisco P. O. Box 711 South San Francisco, Ca. Gentlemen, Previous agreements between the City and Chamber have required the Chamber to advertise and make known the resources of the City of South San Francisco "by preparing, providing, disseminating, cir- culating, and/or publishing such data, statistics, reports and other information as may be reasonably necessary to increase trade and commerce." This has been accomplished by the following activities: 1. Answering approximately 8,~00 City related calls per year. 2. Mailing approximately 16,000 ozs. of information about South San Francisco each year. 3. Print and distribute at least 5,000 City Maps annually including supplying city departments with maps. 4. Prepare a Community Economic Profile every three years for local, statewide and national distribution through the State Chamber of Commerce as well as our own. 5. Publish and distribute a Directory and Shopper's Guide annually to each household and general public. 6o Publish and distribute an annual listing of clubs and organizations in the City. 7. Conduct a Miss South San Francisco Pageant by original request of City. 8. Conduct a quarterly con~unity Blood Drive for general community benefit, thereby saving our citizens thousand of dollars. It is difficult to establish the precise cost of the above services but, using generally accepted cost standards, Items 1 and 2 cost the Chamber between $22,000 and $32,000 per year, and Item 7 has direct cost of about $6,000. It should also be noted that much Chamber work is conducted by volunteers for which no direct cost can be applied. During past years, the City has supported the Chamber by providing office space and up to $18,000 annually in budgetary assistance. In spite of inflation, City support last year ~vas only $7,500 and no office space° The Chamber believes that $20,000 in direct City support would be eminently fair for services rendered. Respectfully ~E~t iv~ce President ~~.-~.j~l'~- ~.~ ~ ~ ~ . Tony ~al~'adino, President LSD/oo