HomeMy WebLinkAboutRDA Minutes 1984-10-24 MINUTES
THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE
CITY OF SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO
Regular Meeting
October 24, 1984
TIME: 7:00 p.m.
PLACE: Community Room, Municipal Services Building
CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Mark N. Addiego called the South San Francisco Redevelopment
Agency meeting to order at 7:07 p.m.
ROLL CALL: Present: Chairman Mark N. Addiego, Vice Chairman Richard A. Haffey,
Members: Emanuele N. Damonte, Gus Nicolopulos, Roberta Cerri Teglia.
AGENDA REVIEW: Executive Director Birkelo stated that there were no additions nor
deletions to the evening's Agenda.
APPROVAL OF Member Teglia moved, seconded by Vice Chairman Haffey, that the
MINUTES: Minutes of the regular meeting of August 24, 1984, be approved.
Motion, as made and seconded, was regularly carried.
APPROVAL OF Member Teglia moved, seconded by Vice Chairman Haffey, that claimS
BILLS: as submitted for payment in the amount of $95,382.83 for October 24,
1984, be approved. Motion, as moved and seconded, was regularly carried.
REQUEST FOR Deputy City Manager, Mark Lewis, stated that staff had reviewed the
SPECIFIC PLAN proposed Precise Plan for the entryway signs for the Gateway Redevelop-
AND DESIGN ment Project for the Homart Development Company. After the review,
APPROVAL - staff recommends that the Redevelopment Agency approve the attached
GATEWAY Precise Plan for entryway signs, subject to the attached conditions
ENTRANCE which are contained in the Staff Report.
SIGNING:
Chairman Addiego requested that Deputy City Manager Lewis apprise
Council of those conditions, since Council did not have an opportunity
to review the Staff Report prior to the meeting.
Deputy City Manager Lewis informed Council that there are four (4)
conditions: #1) The applicant shall construct the entryway signs
substantially as shown on the approved Precise Plan dated September 14,
1984; #2) Prior to construction of the signs, the applicant will obtain
a building permit; #3) Prior to the issuance of a Building Permit, the
applicant shall submit a scaled sight plan showing the exact location
of the signs' deminsions from existing sidewalks, curbs, utilities
and/or other improvements; and #4) The applicant shall comply with
all the conditions and requirements of the affected City divisions
and departments contained in the IOM which is attached.
REQUEST FOR l.lr. John A§uilar, Homart DeveloRment, 601 Gateway B!vd,~ Suite 900,
SPECIFIC PLAN South San ?rancisco
AND DESIGN
APPROVAL - Mr..Aguilar informed the Board that he had with him Mr. Roger McErland
GATEWAY who is the Landscape Architect retained to work on Homart's signage
ENTRANCE on the entryways which is up before the Board for cOnsideration. He
SIGNING stated that, several months ago we were before you regarding an
(continued) increase in the landscaping plan for both the Oyster Point/Qateway-
Grand Avenue/Gateway entryway$. At that time, we informed the Members
of the Agency and staff that we were involved in the process of looking
at additional upgraded signage to'the entryways. We felt that the
original signage, that was approved as part of the Master Plan three
years ago, was not sufficient nor dynamic enough to really convey the
project image, and toward that goal, we entertained and hired the Pod
Group to come and work with us in developing some alternatives. We
have gone through several generations of alternatives with them, with
our own Architectural Control Board to the Gateway Property Association,
and we have come up with a plan which is before you tonight, which I
would like to have Roger present to you in some detail, and then we will
answer any questions.
Roger McErland from the Pod Group, San Francisco, directed the Board's
attention to the exhibit. Mr. McErland stated that, as Mr. Aguilar had
mentioned, there were some existing conditions that needed to be
thought about, there were also some ongoing landscaping improvements
that were proceeding. It was important for the signs, whatever they
may be, to be located in an existing environment and respect that
environment in addition to do the least damage as possible to that
which is being installed a month prior to this. We had to work around
a number of exisitng problems. Our approach was to start from the outside
of the site, Highway 101, Oyster Point and surrounding streets, and
approach the Gateway project as a project to determine where the
best place to sign and what the magnitude of sign needed to be to
really make it work. Our conclusion is, it is not really visible, the
sign nor the need for sign, from 101 or from anywhere outside the project.
The buildings will be its Gateway marker, so to speak, and as more
buildings are added, it will become more of a mass that will command
its own attention. So the signs really became an element to mark the
entry to Gateway, in our mind, "The Gateway to Gateway." We had a hard
time understanding what Gateway meant, and I am not sure everybody
will understand what Gateway means. So part of the sign was to
help expand that concept that it is the Gateway to something, and the
sign will enhance that. In addition to location, we really felt that
Whatever happened at the Grand Avenue entry, should also happ6n at
Oyster Point, because that will become an equal entry at some point
when traffic improvements are made, so the solution had to work in
two different conditions; one where we had quite a bit of landscape
and open space and flexibility and view corridors, and the other where
we had a very narrow condition and very poor view corridors. The two
really had to work in tandem, so that they mark both ends of the Gateway
project.
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REQUEST FOR In addition, Mr, McErl~nd stated, the sign should have something in
SPECIFIC PLAN common with other s.igns so that what we build here is not entirely
-- AND DESIGN different from what has happened at a lower address marker or what
APPROVAL - happens at a lower entry marker to buildings, so that there is some
GATEWAY continuity and harmony in all of the signs that add up to what we
ENTRANCE call stoop furniture or urban design, After going through several
SIGNING alternatives, we come to the conclusion that what we are proposing
(continued) is the most appropriate. In the Staff Report, there is a sketch
that shows, basically, the existing conditions. We are competing
with street lights, signal lights, traffic controller vaults,
utility vaults, a lot of things that are really there that the sign
needs to overcome or be itself in spite of them. So far that reason,
the sign took a vertical form approximately 36 feet high to the top
of the pylon, and also for that reason, the color for the sign was
chosen to be the exact value of the sky, but a different color.
The materials are called lucabond, it is an aluminum sandwich which
has a foam core in between a very highly refined material, it is
very contemporary, but yet you can control the color to any degree
you want, and it is durable. Durability is another issue that we
feel is very important. Because of the size, windload and the
structural problems, we felt that the fairly lightweight element is
important, it could be structurally designed without disrupting the
whole landscape area around it. I also think the contrast of this
value, power blue or dusty rose value, contract with the landscaping
behind it, because if you have a dark value, for instance dark green
with dark green trees behind it, we are losing the combination which
we are trying to go after.
In summary, I think we are talking about a vertical sign with a high
finish and a high quality finish'on both ends of Grand and Oyster Point.
The model on your left is a scaled model of the Grand Avenue entrance.
We have taken this model to the sight and actually photographed it in
contrast to the sight, and would like to present it to you as part of
convincing direction of why the color, we think, works and is appropriate.
The scale of these pylons is 36 feet at the pylon and about an 18 inch
concrete base, so it is actually about 37½ to 38 feet total. We feel
that is a very appropriate size. We have had a mock up of the sonotube
on the sight to convince ourselves of how big and how wide and what the
volume is, so we have done quite a bit of research to convince the
Homart people that it is appropriate. The signpost, at this level,
is the same shape as Homart's logo because we think the sign should not
be a complete departure from that; and the fluting on the back carriers
are to add quality and a certain detail which is present in their existing
project. Building this kind of thing out of marble, we felt, is very
cost prohibitive and also structurally not desirable; that is why it
is a lightweight metal, and the durability of the metal comes close to
what marble does for you, so we think we are solving several problems.
Member Nicolopolos asked if the shape was cylindrical?
.... Mr. McErland replied that it is pi-shaped with a round face facing
the entrance, and a triangular face facing the exit so you will see
the relief and detail when you leave, and you see the sign when you
come in.
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REQUEST FOR Member Nico!opulos inquired further if it is going to be painted, or
SPECIFIC PLAN does it come with material of that color?
AND DESIGN
APPROVAL - Mr. McErland stated that the material is like an enamel metal,
GATEWAY it is applied paint but it is electrically fixed to the metal,
ENTRANCE
SIGNING Member Nicolopulos stated that he was sure that the weather conditions
(continued) here were taken into consideration, and how long should that last
without refurbishing it?
Mr, McErland replied that lucabond should last about 20 to 40 years
without anything and you can also polish it to'improve it, it will
last as long as the building will last, The lucabond is a durable metal;
we are also painting it with a clear seal that will prevent any graffiti
or spray painting or marking, so they can be washed off very easily.
Member Nicolopulos stated that he noticed that the Deputy City Mana§er/
City Engineer had made some recommendations because of the. utilities,
and inquired if they were agreeable.
Mr. McErland said that they were coordinating with the Civil Engineers
as far as all the utilities in both these locations, Grand Avenue and
Oyster Point.. He stated that the only location where there is aproblem
of distance is Oyster Point. On one corner there is a 12 to 15 foot
distance and they are asking for 24 feet. In all cases we exceed that
except for that one location. The problem there is vaults, utilities,
and sidewalks. We either have to realign the sidewalk, or miss that
dimension.
Vice Chairman Haffey complimented Homart on its simplistic design
which addresses the need for entrance, but his concerns are: first,
the color, he suggested that maybe the color should be a little more
of an earthtone and should not be so striking; and secondly, if we
are to agree to the Size of these entrance monuments, the type of
the material used should be a little more durable. The height is
essentially three stories. If it is going to last beyond this Board
into the next decade, I feel that we would want something that is
durable. If the material was stone or some other type of material,
othen than aluminum, I would feel more confident about the design and
about the durability of what you are presenting.
Mr. McErland stated that, one thing we all should think about is
twenty years from now that sign may want to be a whole different
thing, the Project may be a different ingredient, the City may
want to have more control of it.
Vice Mayor Haffey invited Mr. Aguilar to speak to the above comments.
I had not realized that we were heading in that direction.
Mr. Aguilar advised the Board that it is going to be a permanent,
fixed sign; indefinite. This is something that we have put a lot of
thought into and I do not want to diminish its importance as a
permanent fixture to the project and to the whole area east of the
freeway. I think we understand the concerns about the color and about
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REQUEST FOR the material, and. going to a stone such as a marble or a granite is
SPECIFIC PLAN ~omethi.ng that we have looked at, and to try to achieYe 'the ~ranite
AND DESIGN quality of the material and the height, and to deal with the problems
APPROVAL - and constraints of the visual elements at those intersections, is just
GATEWAY not economically feasible for us to do so, The second generation of
ENTRANCE the walls that we are looking at is a Black African granite that will
SIGNING cost somewhere in the area of $800,000, and the initial budget in the
(continued) Assessment District, the line item for this particular item for land-
scaping and the walls themselves were only $250,000. We came to the
Board several months ago and agreed to pick~up anything above that.
Vice Chairman Haffey commented that he was concerned with the last
comment in which twenty years from now we may want to have something
different; you tell me that you are looking at something that is
indefinite, He asked for a definition of indefinite as opposed to
20 years.
Mr. Aguilar commented that indefinite, as far as he is conceded as
the owner of the project, is permanent and for all time; however, I
cannot warrant that it is not going to change forth years down the
road, but if the developer is going to expend thousands of dollars
for a fixture, it is going to be permanent.
Vice Chariman Haffey inquired if Homart was flexible on the color,
Mr. Aguilar replied that they were.
Member Teglia stated that she has similar concerns with color. She
remarked to Mr. Aguilar that, you indicated that in your process you
had already placed structures of this size in place to get a feeling
of what the impact was going to be and whether or not that was desired
results. It would have been nice, Mr. Aguilar, if you had called us
and had us look at it too, since we have to vote on it. I would
like to stand, for example, where the new Gateway extension is going
to end. I would like to see what these two story structures are going
to look like from a distance. It is a little difficult to look at it
right there, at that location, flat on a board. There is an environment
around there, and I understand what you are trying to do, but it would
have helped me, just as you needed to see that, that would certainly
have helped me. I am not asking you to do anything extraordinary,
apparently you felt it important enough for your own consideration.
Additionally, apparently you have photographs or some graphic material
that are part of your convincing package but we do not have the benefit-
of that. Some of the concerns have been voiced here about the material;
you have, for example in your lobby, granite or veneer, and I had
originally heard that you were going in that direction, and I really
thought it was very exciting. This is quite a departure from that and
I am willing to be convinced, but I am not there at the moment.
Member Nicolopulos remarked that, I think each of us have a right to
express our viewpoints and I respect each of our rights to say it, but
I feel that ~omeone with the pocketbook and is making an expenditure of
that much money should have the privilege of saying what color they
want, as long as it is not offensive or detrimental to the City.
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REQUEST FOR Vice Chairman Haffey admonished staff that, in the future, developers
SPECIFIC PLAN are to be advised to give the Board Presentations that §ive a more
AND DESIGN realistic viewpoint of the way these types of things look and not an
APPROVAL - attempt to deceive the ;Board. You are to give proper direction when
GATEWAY developers want to take the time and go to the trouble of making these
ENTRANCE type of presentations.
SIGNING
(continued) Chairman Addiego stated that he would have to challenge the whole
concept of building monuments on roadways. I am not willing to go
that far from what have been the City norm, and when you look at
what we allow in other areas of the City, in commercial areas,
industrial areas and residential areas, it does not fit into the
image we are trying to project as a City, and I do not see any
merit in that kind of expenditure. I do not think it necessary to
run around the perimeter and delineate the entrance to your boundary
with something along those lines.
Member Damonte stated that there are other industrial parks in the
City that delineate their boundary by some sort of identifying sign,
so in that respect, I do not see anything wrong with Gateway doing
the same thing, If Gateway is paying the cost on its owns that is
something else again. As far as color, I am no authority, but I
think that is as close to earth color as you are going go get.
As for the size, I think the beauty is in the simplicity. This
has been researched enough by people that we call expert in the
field and the Board is voicing personal opinions.
Mr. Aguilar informed the Board that the City is not participating in
the price. He also stated that because concerns have been registered
by the Board, they would be more than willing to go back, look at and
address, particularly, the color tone issue and come back to the Board,
if that would be appropriate. He added that the other conditions that
were in the Staff Report, in terms of structural conditions and permits,
were acceptable and no problem, but we will be willing to rework this
and bring it back to you in a couple of weeks to get your feeling at,
that point. -~
Member Teglia asked Mr. Aguilar where is the substitute that your people
put in place so that we could get an idea of what this would look like,
what happened to that?
Mr. Aguilar responded that they could arrange to do that again without
much problem if that would be helpful. We actually arranged that
through the contractor who is on the jobsite now, and he could certainly
schedule that again.
Member Teglia said that it sounds like an extraordinary request, but
Homart needed the same kind of information and look-see in order to
come to this conclusion, and she would like to see it also.
Chairman Addiego asked if that would answer enough of the questions of
the majority of the Council, it sounds as if it would.
Member Teglia stated that she was not sold on the material.
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REQUEST FOR Mr..Aguilar stated that what was approved before~ is not acceptable
SPECIFIC PLAN any longer, it does not do the job. At that time the proper attention
AND DESIGN was paid to its impact on the whole area, Our concern is that we
APPROVAL - have a building-which we are attempting to lease, and we could not
GATEWAY go with the signage until the landscaping was completed, and we are
ENTRANCE very anxious to get some identification up there and we can not do it,
SIGNING
(continued) It was the consensus of the Board that this item would be discussed
further at'a later date.
GOOD AND Vice Chairman Haffey inquired why the Agenda packets for the Board
WELFARE: we'Me delayed,
Executive Director Birkelo stated that it was not the intention to
deny the Board the material, and ! take responsibility for that and
I have no excuse for that,
Chairman Addiego invited anyone in the audience to speak on Redevelop~
ment matters. No one spoke.
ADJOURNMENT: Member Teglia moved, seconded by Member Damonte, that the meeting be
adjourned. Motion, as moved and seconded, was unanimously approved.
Time of adjournment; 7:41 p.m.
APPROVED
Richard~/k.' H~ffejT, Chi' la
,a~n
The Redevelopment Age /of the
City of South San Fral ;co
Respectful ly submitted,
C. Walter Birkelo
Executive Di rector/Secretary
The entries of this Redevelopment Agency meeting show the action taken by the Board
to dispose of the item. Oral presentations, arguments, and comments are recorded
on tape. The tape and documents related to the items are on file in the Office
of the City Manager and available for inspection, review, and copying.
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