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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes 1998-12-15Mayor James L. Datzman Council: Joseph A. Fernekes Karyl Matsumoto Eugene R. Mullin John R. Penna SPECIAL MEETING CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO December 15, 1998 MINUTES City Council Municipal Services Building Community Room December 15, 1998 NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 54956 of the Government Code of the State of California, that the City Council of the City of South San Francisco will hold a Special Meeting on Tuesday, the 15th day of December, at 6:00 p.m. in the Municipal Services Building, Community Room, 33 Arroyo Drive, South San Francisco, California. Purpose of the meeting: Review of the Terrabay Project. Dated: City Clerk City of South San Francisco December 3, 1998 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: AGENDA (Cassette No. 1) Review of the Terrabay Project. ACTION TAKEN 6:05 p.m. Mayor Datzman presiding. Council Present: Council Absent: Fernekes, Matsumoto, Mullin and Datzman. Penna. Mayor Datzman stated Councilman Penna gave advance notice that due to his being a realtor, the FPPC has ruled that he can not take part in discus- sions or vote on land use. Chief Planner Harnish related: The project began with a study session before Council July 9th, 1996. We were 18 months into the project review, this is your third study session. The Planning Commission has had nine and the Historic Commission has had two, looking at the EIR (enviromental impact report) and varied spaces on the project. Back in July at your last study session there were three 12/15/98 Page 1 AGENDA · -meview of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 2 A~!!ON TAKEN presentations to alleviate concerns raised in the EIR and public comments regarding preservation of the archeological site. The proposal is on the exhibit displayed. The applicant will carry the presentation tonight, I will provide the background. The propos- al was intended to address many of the issues sur- rounding Phase III, which has continued to be a public focus. Discussion in study session on Phase II raised several issues by the Planning Commission regarding specific parts of the residential develop- ment, specifically "the point." Discussion with applicant, staff, and the Planning Commission con- tinued with what was an acceptable approach in dealing with "the point." A number of illustrations are being shown tonight. The Planning Commission has not seen the most recent versions, nor reacted to the most recent changes. Bob Kent will give a presentation on where discussion with the Planning Commission ended and where the staff has worked with the applicant to modify the residential or Phase II conditions that were of concern. The applicants concerns were the changes adequate and requested this study session with you and the Planning Com- mission. Discussion followed: Developer Mr. Breen stated he wanted to alleviate concerns raised on all levels of the project as to what direction the City would like them to go. We will begin the presentation showing changes at "the point" and leave Phase III toward the end as most people are aware of what we have projected and those issues have been addressed. We are requesting direction on a timely plan on the residential phase and the commercial. Developer Mr. Kent and Bob Montigani gave the presentation beginning with the triplex which has an A and B elevation. We added a new elevation and reduced the size by one bedroom as well as some architectural relief. An alternative elevation had also been reduced in size by one room pulled from the front of the building and have changed some roof lines giving a gable effect. The duplex is the predominate house seen on the mountain. The duplex on the lower portion has the most exposure at "the point." Floor plans A & B have changed rear elevations, an extended window, gable roof, and iron railing for a more spanish appearance making a becoming front. There is another eleva- tion containing all the features making a very attractive end unit, which will be seen on all sides AGENDA .--Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 3 ACTION TAKEN when entering the project. Every other lot will have the new duplexes which down sizes what is being built at "the point" and addresses the Commission's concerns. The unit is 45 feet wide and another is 52 feet wide, so, rather than seeing eight feet building to building you will see 13 feet building to building with lowered density. There are two different eleva- tions with the downhill duplex, elevations A & B with gable and hip roofs that change the exterior appearance which was another concern of the Com- mission. These are like single family homes, the exceptions are the triplex and the duplex which are set on 65 foot lot where a single family home is on a 50 foot lot. The building is 45 feet wide on a 65 foot lot, where a single family home is 40 feet wide lot on a 50 foot lot, so, if you were on a corner lot of Sister Cities Blvd. and Bayshore and looked up you would see what is almost identical as to what you would see in a single family development. Originally there were 181 units the Planning Com- mission said they wanted to see more open space, so they reduced the number of units to 171 that leaves more open space at "the point" also making numer- ous changes to the landscape plan. It was pointed out the project was very vertical with straight lines, so upon entering the project you have a one percent grade which progresses to three, at a zero to 16 feet height progressing to "the point" and drops as you go down the street. It was asked how it would look with the flyover? In a scale picture it was small, but put into proper perspective the hookramp blocked the end of the development, and they are installing a sound wall around the perimeter of the property with planter boxes to give greenery. Open space was originally at 250 feet and is now at 350 feet. Tree planting is planned at "the point" and along Sister Cities Boulevard similar to the present medi- an, and intend to mound the area at "the point" with landscaping, seating, and telescopes for looking around the bay. They were asked by the Planning Commission to look at the original Dean and Dean plan to lower the site by 10 feet and found it not feasible, for that would require a 10 foot wall. There was discussion of entries which were coordinated with the fire and water departments so as not to be to steep for the commercial area. The roadways will have a culdesac with buildings on each side similar to neighborhoods of San Francisco. It was pointed out Terrabay Village, the Park and what was going to be the Woods and Terrabay Commons will not be built, so there will be AGENDA --g. eview of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 4 ACTION TAKEN j 79 open space. In the current version you will see a terraced effect and you would see upper units, but not 10 story buildings. If you want an idea of something similar look at Colinga. They have elim- inated the common walkway, entrances, wall, floors, and have changed that with one common wall, for- mal dining room, family room, computer room or office or guest room. This is what the public is seeking as a single family dwelling. Councilman Mullin asked him to give a brief and better explanation of the open space progression, which was the 250 feet to 350 feet, mounding and there will be a corner raised seven feet giving relief on the lower side. Mayor Datzman asked if there was more to add and what is going on in Phase III. Developer Breen related they dealt with the EIR and the Planning Staffs concerns before the Commission where they were adopted and shows a rendering of the hotel, restaurant, and the two southern pads as far as location leading up to "the point" which is off the corner of Sister Cities Boulevard. The entrance near the hookramps and the archeological site are one of the two major issues left. During the presen- tation he showed the location for the North Office building which is not touching the viola plants that were of environmental concern. The North pad is the office building, the Southern pad is the restau- rant and hotel with a center drive way access. Vice Mayor Matsumoto asked for clarification of the sound wall, her perception is similar to what is seen going down highway 101. Developer Breen stated it would be six feet in height similar to a six foot redwood fence, but of masonry material. Chief Planner Harnish related more like stucco. Mayor Datzman asked if Jean Jenks was in the audience from Laguna Beach, CA., he asked Deputy City Clerk Bolt if she had a copy of her letter, she said yes, and he said then enter it into the record, also from Patricia Holton from San Francisco, CA. Jean K. Jenks, 301 San Nicholas Court, Laguna Beach, CA. Her letter speaks in opposition of the development and the $50 million freeway inter- AGENDA ---Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 5 ACTION TAKEN change. She was for the preservation of the Oholne Indian Village site and shellmound, for the historical significance, religious significance, artifacts, and en- dangered species. She related how the City of Port- land as of recent purchased eight residences along a steelhead trout spawn and converted it into a public park. How they tore out an expressway along the Willamette River and built a strip park to encourage people to be less auto dependent. They offer light rail and bus service throughout the City she sug- gested we think carefully. Patricia Holton, 93 Prentiss Street, San Francisco, CA. 94110 writes in opposition to the development. She would like to see the shellmound preserved. Gene Dove, 383 Greenridge, Daly City, CA. He said he wrote something tonight he wanted to share, he respects the developers, and the people who wish to preserve the mountain, and the ancestor spirits; he believes the whole issue involves money and val- ues. He is for preserving the shellmound. Edna Harks, 211 Eucalyptus, South San Francisco, CA. Is against the development. She is with the Historic Preservation Commission and takes the responsibility very seriously. There has been very little discussion among her associates about the project. She feels the whole area of Sister Cities Boulevard to Brisbane that would be Phase III should remain untouched except with some appro- priate landscaping. She believes there is more re- mains scattered by winds and time all over, not just around the shellmound and once the damage is done, it is done. She believes that the developer SunChase would appreciate the importance of a 5100 year old treasure. She said by now she is sure the developer realizes the sanctity of the land and what it means to the people who live here and to the City, also in the pictures it looks like palm trees, palm trees do not belong in South San Francisco. She urges we act very carefully, so our unborn generations will not miss all the wonderful heritage that we have left behind. Albert Lannon, 308 Bartlett St, San Francisco CA. Spoke against the project. He is not a resident, but is associated with the City working at various companies, Woolworth and Folgers and is a member of ILWU. He has watched S.S.F. develope since 1976 and with plant closures he understands the AGENDA AGI!ON TAKEN .--Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. need for development; he is representing with The Sons of San Bruno Mountain, they support environ- mentally sensitive developments, they support the EIR process, they are in support of preserving the shellmound for historic and educative purposes, not only for South San Francisco, but for the entire Bay Area. He suggested a re-creation of the Indian Vil- lage as like what was done at Point Reyes. Jan Pont, 111 Belmont Avenue, South San Francis- co, CA. Is against the project. Her concerns were the flyover, pollution, open space, parking, and density. Her suggestion was leave it without devel- opment. Dan Shattuc, 907 W Cardinal Drive, Sunnyvale, CA. Who spoke against the project. His concerns were the loss of the mountain as a regional asset, a place to be enjoyed for the outdoors, hiking, and watching the butterflies. It should be left as a ref- uge for people. The shellmound is a potential na- tional landmark and it is being pursued. It is sacred and deserves the recognition. Philip Batchelder, 2915A Wheeler St, Berkeley CA. He is a teacher his concern is the shellmound and preserving it. He is concerned with the project creating problems, like traffic, pollution, over- crowding of schools, and the effects on the tax payers. Lynne Fritz, 455 County Center, Redwood City, CA, Her home address 1801 Crystal Springs Road, San Bruno, Ca. She is representing the San Mateo County Parks and Recreation and superintendent of Parks and North County, speaking for the shellmound and expressing their support and will- ingness to work with the City of South San Francis- co to preserve it. Patrick Orozco, 644 Pear Tree Drive, Watsonville, CA. He greeted the council in his native language, he said he is maybe the last one of his people who can still speak it. He spoke of his grandmother who told him as he was growing up all about his family and people. For all of the history, ancestry, religion, education and the sacred ground, he asked Council not to allow the development. 12/15/98 Page 6 AGENDA ACTION TAKEN Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 7 Lois Robins, 607 Burns Ave Aptos, CA. Is against the project. She has photographed and documented the recovery of the Indian culture. It has taken 20 years for them to come out and reclaim their cul- ture, you are at a very fateful moment in time, and what you do will be very significant to the history of California. Dell Schembary, 321 Alta Mesa Drive, South San Francisco, CA. He is a former member of the save San Bruno Mountain committee working with Bay Area Mountain Watch and The Sierra Club. He is against the development. He suggested make the best use of the area. If we must build, then build with less density and higher quality. David Schooley, P.O. Box A0, Brisbane, CA. is for the shellmound. His concerns are the loss of open space, habitat, endangered species, and to preserve the history of the Oholne people. Marc Teglia, 604 Baden Avenue, South San Francis- co, CA. Is long a time resident and not the first generation of his family in South San Francisco. He stated he had not prepared any statement, he was speaking on what he just heard. The development will make a statement to the rest of the county. He felt we should go back and look at the original plan not focused on the mountain, but showing a housing development nestled at the bottom of the hill. He understood at that time the developer W. W. Dean chose not to do an EIR, and that would have shown the road blocks that are coming up now. Perhaps the answer is scaling it back. There is major talk of reduction in units, but an increase of bedrooms and a major increase in the footprint. The comment about Colinga was nice, but it is an example of what we do not want to see. He said there maybe pictures not shown this evening to Council that would have shown other perspectives of the W. W. Dean model. Mayor Datzman asked if this information had been requested. Commissioner Teglia stated it had, and was just recently available to the Planning Commissioners. What was shown tonight was a perspective of the Phase I side shown facing Phase II and barely AGENDA ACTION TAKEN Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. seeing "the point" perspective urging them to take a second look. A cluster that coincides with the circu- lar area of "the point" shows where the development was restricted. The roofline covered the next build- ing and followed the contours of the hill. There was more open space between "the point" and the valley. Look at the 82 site plan, compare it with today, it should be modified, but still within the footprint. Linda Dyson - Weaver, 1545 Burlingame Avenue, Burlingame, CA. She is in favor of preserving the shellmound for the scared aspect, as she reflected back on how she would feel if a development was going into Woodlawn in Colma where her mother is, so take precaution. Mayor Datzman related we were getting to the last speaker. Fred Arnes, 2413 Carlson, Richmond, CA. Is strongly opposed to the project. The valley is very unique and requires very special consideration, and not every community has a shellmound over 5000 years old. The City of Richmond had one that was destroyed when a sewer main and creek overflowed, so, this development is in appropriate. Mayor Datzman thanked ali speaker for their com- ments and watching the time line, and are now ready for Council comments. Councilman Fernekes had a few questions and com- ments, he asked when the Dean project of Terrabay came betbre the public, was there support or did they oppose it. How many were in favor and did it pass. Chief Planner Harnish said yes it was supported. City Manager Wilson said he did not recall how many. Mayor Datzman said I am sure the information is a matter of record. Councilman Fernekes asked, but it did pass? Chief Planner Harnish said yes it passed. 12/15/98 Page 8 AGENDA Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 9 ACTION TAKEN Councilman Fernekes said he was addressing a question he heard, was the financing completed for the City, what are the outstanding obligations. City Manager Wilson stated he only recalls that in the development agreement, to have the hookramps installed prior to the development of Phase II and Phase III. Due to the need to relocate the utilities, and avoid the necessary elevation for the needed for the flyover and the modifications to the Bayshore Boulevard, the project has become more expensive. Councilman Fernekes asked what is the approximate value of the hookramps and flyover. Director of Public Works Gibbs stated, as it stands it is around 15 to 17 million and the hookramps are approaching 20 million due to relocation for the utilities, which is still in question. Councilman Fernekes asked where is the widest share of the obligation. City Manager Wilson stated it is a City obligation, at this point we have the developer fee in place and will be augmenting our plan for the redevelopment agency participation to the transit authority. Councilman Fernekes asked what is the developer commitment, the cost of the project, is the school district apprised. City Manager Wilson stated the developer commit- ment is very significant on conforming to the entire project. Director of Public works stated the cost is around fourteen million. Chief Planner Harnish stated the schools are in- volved and aware of the project, and with the studies done there are no issues. Councihnan Fernekes stated there were some condi- tions that the development would bring into the City, one was a brand new fire house based on Sisters Cities Boulevard at the entrance to Terrabay and a ball field at Hillside school, that was under W.W. Dean's plan. We had an opportunity to open a brand new gymnasium two months ago, which is AGENDA Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 10 fi~!!ON TAKEN open to City use and by W. W. Dean a provision for a daycare and funding for the daycare, the flyover and hookramp. He appreciated hearing all the speakers tonight. He was trying to recall some of the history, and address the community concerns, as well, as we are all concerned for the preserving Of sign hill. He also has some concerns for "the point," as it is most visible to our community off the Bayshore Freeway and Industrial Park. He is con- cerned, that we should feel more faith. I would like see a more horizontal approach, and that the devel- oper Standard Builders listen to the community. He felt a little uncomfortable that something was miss- ing. We have made great strides with the school board, would like to see staff work more with the developer and complimented everyone. One more thing I would like to see is more openness and I like the front looks and would like to see the parking plans. Councilman Mullin thanked all for their comments, he looks out over a beautiful view of the mountain from his home and it is a major asset to this com- munity. His concerns is the obvious, that this devel- opment is an improvement of what before was a linear look. Looking at the distance from the pur- posed mounding and the bottom of "the point" what amount of space are we talking about. Developer Breen said approximately 90 feet or a two to one slope. Councihnan Mullin questioned what is the reason for that distance, and why is the development not lower is it due to terrain. Donna O'Flaerty with Brian, Kangas, Foulk civil engineers stated yes it is due to the terrain, it is a two to one and a portion is one to one half there is a 90 foot differential between the entrance to Sister Cities Blvd. and the bottom row of homes. Councilman Mullin asked for clarification of the term. Donna O'Flaerty stated, it refers to the horizontal area per vertical area for a two to one slope. It is two feet horizontal for every one foot, and one half to one foot is one foot horizontal for every one foot vertical, so that is a bit steeper slope. AGENDA ACTION TAKEN eview of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 11 Councilman Mullin said so one to one would be, she said one is the horizontal and he said a three to one, she said is a 45 degree angle, due to existing cuts which is one and one half to one, and two to one when the intersection of Sister Cities Blvd. was im- proved. If we would bring the development down the hill it would require us to cut more rock. We are trying to stay with the same theme and foot print. Developer Breen stated the original Dean plan was Commons East and West, and East is now part of "the point." If we were to take the east part of the Dean Plan and go all the way around the mountain to where the purposed athletic club facility would be, the land being covered is less dense under our plan. Councilman Mullin stated just for the public the total number of units is fewer of the size comparison as is currently purposed. Developer Breen stated they are higher in overall square footage by about 15%. Councilman Mullin asked what is the distance you indicated, as a way to mitigate the linear horizontal design of the development leading up to "the point." There was a rise in the streets of 16 feet what is the length in distance. Developer Breen indicated 60 feet and if you count up to 10 or 11 buildings in the plan shown, is a 1% change and reaches "the point" at 16 feet over 60 feet. Councilman Mullin asked about the landscaping addressing Mr. Shembreys concern, what types of plants or species of trees being planned. Chief Planner Harnish stated there has been a lot of work on the applicants part in upgrading the land- scape, but the plans have not been through the De- sign Review Board yet. Councilman Mullin asked about the magalopoli syndrome that has been purposed from San Francis- co to Los Angeles what is the projected build out for South San Francisco. AGENDA ACTION TAKEN Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 12 Chief Planner Harnish stated about seventy thousand using a 20 year projection in the general plan and figure out how the city can accommodate that many. Councilman Mullin said he has spent a lot of time recently looking into the need for housing in the peninsula area, spent all day at the housing consor- tium trying to see how to accommodate people working on the peninsula who are supposed to put up their far share. If we do not develop a guide to centralize, to develop properties that will enhance, and recover revenue streams of the City, compared to the development of residence, we do not have to put up with people driving great distance who work in our community. I for one am opposed to looking at big housing, I have children who are looking into living in the community and maybe in the market for duplexes or triplexes or housing units, even though the city may not make money off the housing developments, I think it is a need to service the community. I have been a teacher in this community 30 years and do not remember over crowding in the schools, but that is the prime reason Martin school has been re- opened is with the anticipation of this development. In answer to Mr. Batchholders con- cern over the 45 acre site other than the purposed shellmound, the other 45 acres what do we know about this site, what studies, what knowledge at the present time for Phase III. Chief Planner Harnish stated they started with the EIR, and addressed the issues focused on the shellmound. The historic discussion evolved since the EIR first came out. We asked the archeological consultant EIR team to evaluate rather to come back to us with responses on the historic nature. Councihnan Mullin stated this is the first time he had seen any changes and reason for the elevations, but is not on the design review yet. I find it diffi- cult to make general comments about the design, but what is your impression with respect to the gable roofs and ion works. How does that give a concep- tual basis. Chief Planner Harnish said his first impression was it is an improvement over the original line, but is not too sure it goes far enough to address both the Council and Commission concerns to the staff who are also concerned about the linear nature to the AGENDA Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 13 ACTION TAKEN development. We looked at broad design issues, but the technical engineering issues tells what can or can not be fiscally or feasibly built on the mountain and the genesis of this design is one where after certain study sessions with the Commission, at the direction of the Commission and the staff working with the applicant, try to address those concerns by occasions to the design. The modifications to the design were not based on the existing proposed development, going through a complete redesign, we are not fully addressing the concerns and hence we find ourselves at the study session in progress, but whether or not it is enough. We only have the briefest time to act, we should study this fi.~rther. Councilman Mullin stated let me put you on the spot. I am now hearing 13 feet between homes, 45 foot wide units on sixty toot lots generate 12 - 13 feet between, is that what they were before. Does that give you a sense of visual impact of the linear mountain not withstanding the separation. Chief Planner Harnish stated it is a positive step, one of the issues raised by Commission and the staff is lack of open space. The feeling of the neighbor- hood streets is really closed in and not only the separation, but the variation of the separation makes things feel so uniform we have begun to address that issue. I think in addition to the changes there were the lots, the roof line, not really raising or lowering with great expense the physical changes, break up the feeling of linear misalignment. The designs can be revised and changed, and have clustering here and there and still have some of the linear feeling even if you modify the elevations. It is just a matter of judgement up front at what point the design says and does not give you the feeling of urbency, like little boxes. Councilman Mullin said little boxes, we are getting away from that. He had a sense this design is mov- ing to a better degree possible. I have spent a lot of time looking across the street from my daughters house at the development. There is another render- ing that did not focus so much on the view we saw on the powerpoint, I may be mistaken, but the front was far removed, and something else we now have available that focuses on "the point area." Chief Planner Harnish said yes, the Planning Com- mission had requested from staff that they would Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 14 provide copies of the older plan so they could see the genesis of the project from the earliest approvals up till now. There are some photographs of the model that you saw in the powerpoint that were photographs of the model that were straight up at "the point." The one you saw tonight was from the West to East and the Commission was using those; I believe as an example the development could be modified to eliminate the linearairty saying we want you to go back on the 1982 plan. Councilman Mullin stated he found a view with Sister Cities Blvd. going East with the purposed wall, which was either here this evening or in the City Managers Office a very pleasing design. He continued, making a general comment we made strides With Phase III and there may be more work to be done there. I am pleased by what I have seen, in the changes from the original design. I am seeing 200 - 300 foot open areas with some kind of park with trees and atmosphere except at "the point", which I think mitigates the harshness and you can use the linearairty of the project almost like a prow of a ship. I think it softens it tremendously and we are moving in the right direction. With all due respect to Vice Mayor Karyl Matsumoto, and I may be run out of town on a rail, but like a woman as it makes its way up the hill, it lends a little intrigue and it has taken me many years to say that. As it is now we are going in a positive direction. We may have some additional problems and will try to deci- pher which ones. Mayor Datzman stated thank you and I am sorry Karyl, but we are out of time and lets start with closures. Vice Mayor Matsumoto stated just for clarification I heard the first proposal was W.W. Dean in 1982, and this was the onset of this project. I believe Mr. Schooley mentioned the Trust for Public Land, are they going to make an offer to this man? Does the City propose this? Has there been pricing, has there been a commitment? Mr. Schooly stated from the audience we are spreading the word; we actually have a commitment from another group in Marin called the Environ- mental Mitigation Exchange, they have offered two million and you know that is not enough. We are working our hardest to make a win - win situation. AGENDA Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. 12/15/98 Page 15 ACTION TAKEN Vice Mayor Matsumotos concerns were for the future, in that the staff will come in and accept a larger legal proposal. Mayor Datzman suggested that staff take note of the question. Vice Mayor Matsumoto said I see two issues here, Phase II and Phase III and we are talking an EIR, can we not separate Phase II and Phase III on this EIR study? Assistant City Attorney said if I may Mayor pro tem Matsumoto legally we can do that. I propose among options to consider are processing the EIR for both ends of the project and then moving forward with approvals for the two different Phases on a different track. If the Planning Commission is satisfied with one of the phases they could consider making rec- ommendations on that Phase, and then that Phase would come to you prior to the other Phase coming to you. Vice Mayor Matsumoto stated this is to Mr Kent, I appreciate the changes you have made relative to Phase II, but am still not comfortable. Perhaps we could sacrifice the open space at "the point." Make some more space on the development in order to achieve a cluster of open spaces and linear look. Developer Breen said instead of putting it all at "the point?" Vice Mayor Matsumoto said it was only a sugges- tion. Mayor Datzman stated he could see the applicants dilemma, but we start with a project planned in 1982 and we are still talking about it in 1998. No one has complained that we are rushing to approve this. I do not have a problem saying it is too close to the flyover. I think there are too many bed rooms. I have some problems with the linear nature of the project. I have some problems with density. I have some problems with the intensity of the project. I have some problems with the lack of open space, and where the open space is. I say, ok, what do I do next. It is no different than some- body saying, ok, we have done pretty well, but there is still something missing. How much open space is there, we need to address this. I noticed staff taking AGENDA ACTION TAKEN Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. notes tonight on the variety of items that have devel- oped. I can tell you this is not what I majored in, in college on my bachelors or my masters degree. No one has asked me how things are to be designed, but I have to figure it out. In doing that I like to ask questions to the best of my ability, as part of the process and ask staff to move ahead. I like to see people working with staff and coming back with a model and I would like to see that model come back to the Planning Commission, and they have looked at this several times and they say yes, like it or no I dc> not and get some movement. I think we have spent time tonight providing some general direction. We had a meeting before this with general direction. I think the Planning Commission is in a position where they have had an opportunity to look at the project and they will again. I sure hope some results and findings for some kind of decision to either bring this project to a close or if it needs to be dealt with further with a time line ac- cordingly, so we not sitting here in the year 2008 saying gee what is it going to look like. That is the extent of my comments. He asked if any other council had any closing comments. Councilman Fernekes stated I believe staff has direc- tion and I have spent time talking with the City Manger over my concerns and he has the direction. Vice Mayor Matsumoto said she would like to see a definite time frame and asked that we set a specific time frame for it to go before the Planning Com- mission and come back to us lets say, by the end of January, if that is that possible. City Manager Wilson stated I would suggest not, and the only reason I say that, is because one of the things we both promised the City Council is that procedurally steps will be taken in order and then you would not be embarrassed by premature actions brought to you specifically in embarrassing situa- tions, which means we have to make sure certain documents are put with the EIR and things of that nature, what I have heard very loud and clear is you want the process expedited and I think we will 12/15/98 Page 16 AGENDA Review of the Terrabay Project - Continued. ,-~DJOURNMENT: 12/15/98 Page 17 ACTION TAKEN do our very best to get this product before the Plan- ning Commission, so that they can take actions and deliver it as fast as we can. I do not want to jeopardize this with a date and I find out because of an EIR factor we can not beat it. Mayor Datzman said in closing, I think I can say this in at least one council members words, I do not know if they will expedite, that describes the posi- tion that would have been taken. I would like to see a situation at a little more appropriate time certain, that when a Planning Commission looks at a docu- ment it is not their job to build a project brick by brick, item by item, any more than it is Councils and that is not to criticize because that is equally at Council level. It is not our job to decide whether something be raised three feet or lowered three feet and then have somebody come back time, and time again, so, I think if it goes back to the Planning Commission on this basis and is reviewed it is their position at that time to get a yea or ney for further direction and that is what the process is called for. Would there be any other direction required of Council, or do you feel comfortable. City Manager Wilson said I agree. Assistant City Attorney said all I would do is simply have the City Managers regard for the need for careful and deliberate consideration of the docu- ments and legal issues. Councilman Fernekes stated once again my compli- ments for working aggressively over the concerns. We are doing great things for this Mayor and help the taxpayers in a manor that is acceptable and that we get this done in a time frame. Mayor Datzman thanked the members of the public for their interest and participation in the process. I would like to thank Council for hanging in there inspite of the under the weather conditions and that is pretty apparent. We have direction given and do I hear a motion to adjourn. M/S Mullin/Fernekes - To adjourn the meeting. Carried by unanimous voice vote. Time of Adjournment was 8:30 p.m. AGENDA ACTION TAKEN RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Deput~f, City Clerk City of South San Francisco APPROVED. JaTf~ L. Datzman, ~),or C~fof South San Ffiu~isco The entries of this Council meeting show the action taken by the City Council to dispose of an item. Oral communica- tions, arguments and comments are recorded on tape. The tape and documents related to the items are on file in the Office of the City Clerk and are available for inspection, review and copying. 12/15/98 Page 18