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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12.03.98 Minutes CITY OF SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MUNICIPAL SERVICES BUILDING 33 ARROYO DRIVE December 3, 1998 CALL TO ORDER / PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE The meeting was called to order at 7:35 P.M. ROLL CALL / CHAIRMAN COMMENTS MEMBERS PRESENT: Vice Chairman Teglia, Commissioner Masuda, Commissioner Romero, Commissioner Baldocchi, Commissioner Honan, Commissioner Sim ABSENT: Chairman Barnett Planning Division: Jim Harnish Steve Carlson Mike Upston Adam Lindgren Richard Harmon Sgt. Massoni Ray Honan City Attorney: Engineering: Police Dept.: Water Quality Control: AGENDA REVIEW No change APPROVAL OF MINUTES: October 29, 1998 - Motion -Sim /Second - Honan. Approved by majority voice vote. November 5, 1998 Study Session - Commission Romero requested correction to page 13 to read that "he is comfortable going forward with the public hearing process for Phase III". Commissioner Baldocchi noted a correction to both the Study Session and the Regular meeting reflecting that she was absent. - Motion -Masuda /Second - Honan. Approved by majority voice vote. November 5, 1998 Regular Meeting - Commissioner Baldocchi repeated that minutes reflect that she was absent. - Motion -Masuda /Second -Honan. Approved by majority voice vote F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 1 of 26 ORAL COMMUNICATIONS None CONSENT CALENDAR 1. Bahay Kubo~Robert Gior2i~ Owner~ Anselmo C. Revelo~ Applicant~ 203 Linden~ Avenue~ Case No. UP-97--054 Six-month Review of Use Permit to allow commercial recreation use (Karaoke & dancing) with hours of operation until 2:00 a.m. within an existing full service restaurant, situated at 203 Linden A venue in the Downtown Commercial Zone District (DC) Motion - Romero/Second - Baldocchi. Approved by majority voice vote. PUBLIC HEARING - AGENDA ITEMS 2. St. AU2ustine's Church~ Roman Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco~ Owner/Applicant~ 3700 Callan Boulevard~ Case No. PUD-98-052 and Ne2ative Declaration ND-98-052 Planned Unit Development and Negative Declaration allowing expansion of an existing church and a new private school situated at 3700 Callan Boulevard in the Medium Density Residential zone district (R-2-I-P). (Continuedfrom November 5, 1998) Associate Planner Upston presented the Staff Report. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia asked if there were plans for a school when St. Augustine first went in, and whether they contained excess land for a school. Bill Starr, the architect representing the applicant noted that when they came before the Commission in September the Commission had requested that a couple of issues be researched further. He indicated that Mr. Upston had pretty much covered those issues. He explained that when actual traffic counts were done, they showed that the school traffic was distinct from the church parldng and traffic. He noted that the peak 5:30, and to some extent the 11:00 and 12:30 mass the attendance was significant, which is the reason behind the project request. He added that with that information they attempted to take a proactive approach to reducing the amount of traffic, by working with the parish to come up with a traffic and parldng improvement plan. He detailed the plan for the Commission, noting that the objective of the program was to reduce the current intensity of cars visiting the site for the church by 15%, amounting to about 40 cars; as well as a goal to reduce the intensity of cars parldng in the surrounding streets by 20%, which amounts to 11 cars at peak masses. Bob Clark, 3766 Cork Place, offered suggestions for congestion problems, noting that the plan for the parking area leaves most of the traffic leading to Callan. He recommended an access and egress onto Palos Verdes. He also recommended that consideration be given a one level lower parking garage, which could exit to Palos Verdes since the slope of the land is conducive. F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 2 of 26 Mary Ann Navarez, 2655 Farnee Court, spoke in support of the project, noting that she lives about three blocks from St. Augustine Church. She indicated she attends the 7:00 a.m. mass, which is the least attended mass, and currently does not have any children. She stated that she finds comfort in knowing that people have faith in the parish, and is willing to live with the additional traffic, and cars parking very close to her home. She expressed sorrow for the people who are having problems keeping churches open, adding that this parish is trying to expand a church to allow more people to attend. She spoke of the benefits of having a school close to her house, knowing that children will grow up with good character. Bob Bertolani, 2645 Donegal, spoke in support of the project noting that he supports everything as presented by Mr. Starr. He commented that in his opinion having a school in the area of their homes would increase the property value. George K. Ado, 2649 Duhallow, spoke in support of the project and explained the involvement of the Knights of Columbus which he indicated numbers 346 members in the parish. He inoted that their council has formalized a resolution in support of the expansion, and has made a commitment to provide assistance now and in the future with traffic and other related matters of concern to the community. He noted that the organization has been involved for the past ten years directing traffic in the parldng lot during heavy attendance. Augusto C. Nable, spoke in support of project. Debra Frenna, Sean Court, spoke against the project, noting that the primary concerns that residents have are the unresolved traffic and parking problems that have existed for about 20 years. She noted that they are also concerned about the noise that would result from the school. She noted that the area is limited in the number of main thoroughfares in the area of Callan, Greendale, Galway, Palos Verdes and Carter, since all of the residents must travel to and from their homes on those streets due to the number of cul-de-sac and courts, adding that the area can get very congested especially when the church has a function. She noted that people often travel from other communities to attend the services, and neighbors are concerned that they cannot exit their courts from their driveways onto thoroughfares, and that street corners and driveways are blocked by parked or double-parked cars. She noted that even parishioners have had to resort to calling the SSFPD to remove the vehicles in order to leave or enter their driveways. Additionally, she noted that traffic from local businesses exists from both corners of Callan and Westborough and other areas of Callan and King. She noted that the church's solution to add another mass offers no guarantee that the parldng problem will be reduced. The property owner at Ocean Sea Food Market has declined a long term written contractual agreement with the church to provide space for overflow parldng. She noted that the design for a parldng lot for additional 24 parldng spaces, with a maximum capacity of 220 vehicles, would not alleviate the problems that already exist without the church expansion and school addition. She continued that there are several neighbors who are home during the day and do not want to hear the noise from the school bells or from the children screaming out on the playground. She noted that she lives approximately one mile away from Westview Elementary School which is on F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\ WORKlNG\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 3 of 26 Glen Court in Pacifica, and can hear the bells and children because the wind carries the noise over their way; however since it is a mile away, they are not that disturbed by it. She added that people who are living the west side of Callan between Skyline, Westborough Boulevard and King Drive did not have their windows repaired. She noted that residents living across the street from the church would hear the noise, adding that they currently hear the noise when people are having conversations outside, even when their windows are closed. She commented that she believes that the church site is too small to support school buildings and playgrounds for 300 children, in addition to a hall, a rectory, a larger church and a parking lot. She also expressed concerns for parents dropping children off along the proposed 250 feet of drop off space for the school because Greendale and Callan are very busy streets during commute hours. She noted that residents on Callan, Greendale, and other courts such as Tyrone and Farnee have told her that they are experiencing people maldng U-turns on Callan or dIiving onto their courts after they drop parishioners off. She noted that she has collected over 100 signatures from residents. She pointed out a problem which she indicated exists on Callan Boulevard where people think Callan is two lanes going in both directions, and people trying to enter their driveways will have people try to pass them on the right. She indicated that many of them did not receive public notification of the proposal. She noted that she has lived at the current residence for approximately 20 years. She stated that she received one notice about the November 5th meeting, which encouraged her to go knocldng at doors and asking if they heard about the proposal. She felt that the reason that no opposition was expressed at the June or July a Planning Commission meeting is that people did not receive notice. She noted that another thing that is overlooked in the traffic studies is that everyone using Westborough, Skyline, and I 280 during commute hours will be impacted by the additional traffic. She stated that 90 new homes are going in at the Sky Ridge Development in Pacifica, and will be accessing their homes from Skyline Boulevard. She noted that 50 additional condominium units have been approved on Carter Drive and another 85 residential units on Carter, King and Callan. She also expressed a concern that their property value will decrease, since many people don't want to live in area that has a lot of traffic and noise. She noted that if this is the case, they will call the assessor's office and have their properties re-assessed which will mean less revenue for the City. She noted that this project will not generate much revenue to the City, and the residents want to know what this project has to offer those who are residents but not parishioners, other than more traffic, noise, and parldng problems. She indicated that she has given a number of suggestions to Rev. Eugene Tungol about the project and alternatives, however it seems that the parking and traffic problems are issues that cannot be resolved. She noted that they are looking at some of the ideas that the architect and the church have provided, noting that their suggestions are not practical or enforceable. She stated that residents are being told that most of the students live within the neighborhood, yet they have not been given an eligibility list with names of students and street addresses to prove that there is a need for the school. She cited a concern of how this will affect emergency response services. F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 4 of 26 She commented that she wanted to establish that there is a difference between the definition of parish residents, and community. She noted that when the church says the community wants this, that means the church community, not the residents. She indicated that they have collected 100 signatures over the one week period before Thanksgiving, when many people were busy. She noted that she had asked how many signatures it would take to show that there is opposition, and has not been given a response. She asked if they could be allowed additional time to collect more signatures after the holidays. She asked that the Commission respect the residents, noting that there have been unresolved traffic and parking problems for 20 years and they are being told that the church is willing to admit that there are problems because they want the expansIon. Further discussions followed regarding the speaker's reference to notices and whether they were made known through the homeowner's association. She noted that they received the first notice the week of October 25th from the Planning Division for the November 5th meeting and they did not receive notification for the other two meetings. She indicated that residents on Greendale received three notices, but those living on Callan and neighboring streets and courts did not receive any notifications, and they were property owners. She stated that she had requested that the noticing be extended from Skyline to Galway and King to Westborough. Commissioner Masuda asked if they belong to a homeowner's association. Commissioner Baldocchi asked for clarification on the speaker's comments about living about a mile away from another existing school and asked what grades were involved. Ms. Franna noted that they were K-5 or K-6, at Westview, which is located in Pacifica on Glen Court across Skyline Boulevard from King. Commissioner Baldocchi asked about the time period during which the noise and bells are heard. Ms. Frenna responded that they don't hear it from inside their homes because it is a mile away. However when they are outside worldng in the yard, depending on how the wind carries the noise, they hear the bells and announcements being made over the loudspeaker, although what is being said is not clear. She noted that they can hear the bells at the start of the day, the dismissal time, the recesses. They also can hear the children playing at recess. Commissioner Sim referred the question of additional time request for seeldng signatures to the Assistant City Attorney. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that the signatures would become part of the public record for the project, and if they weren't received prior to the Planning Commission hearing, they to also be considered in the event of an appeal. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia asked if Mr. Harnish could respond to the notification issue. F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\ WORKING\MINUTES\I998\120398.DOC Pa2:e 5 of 26 Mr. Harnish responded that notification had been made to all property owners within the 300' radius for all the meetings by the Planning Commission. With reference to the June and July meetings, he noted that they may have been community meetings called by the church, since the Planning Commission's first public meeting was in September. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia assured Ms. Frenna that no decision has been made, and that the hearing at which the decision will be made is scheduled for December 17th. In reference to her question as to how many signatures it would take, he noted that one signature carries weight with the Commission, and he encouraged her to have as many people as possible attend the meeting, bring as many signatures as possible, and voice their opinions. Mr. Harnish noted that the noticing had been expanded to a broader area essentially 1,000 feet, and in some cases further, but not to the extent requested by the speaker, which is a fairly substantial area. He noted that considering that 50 to 75 people were here, and the purpose of notifying the community has been served. In terms of providing more time for collecting signatures, he stated that he did not think the Commission was looldng for a polling for and against in their deliberations. Commissioner Romero asked if this PUD would be going before the Council and who could file an appeal to the City Council if it was approved at this level. Mr. Harnish and Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that this would not be going to Council, unless appealed, and anyone could appeal. Commissioner Baldocchi requested that the speaker's concerns regarding the demand for schools in the area be provided within the next week or so. Commissioner Honan asked Ms. Frenna who she was referring to when she indicated that she had requested information on demand for schools in the area. Ms. Frenna noted that Mr. Upston had told her that there was a need for schools because of all the housing. She indicated that she also mentioned it at the meeting two nights ago at the church, and she had been told that there would be children who are currently attending San Bruno/St. Roberts school and other schools in the area, however it was not clear if they were residents, adding that she found it difficult to believe that they would all be residents of South San Francisco. She also noted that in talldng with residents, she has been told that there are people who want to sign up to attend the school from San Francisco all the way down to Belmont. Ann Downey, 3690 Bettman Way, spoke against the project. She noted that she lives about 2 1/2 blocks from the church, was never notified of any of the meetings, and has lived in the area for 29 years. She noted that she lives right on the corner, and knows that they will be impacted by the additional traffic that will be generated on Greendale. She noted that, because of the additional condos that will be added to the community, the traffic would be worse than what it is today. She stated that the church has not solved their parking problem for the last 20 years. She provided information printed in recent church bulletins, which detailed the number of cars parked in the various areas. She noted that the stop sign on Greendale and Bettman Way is ignored F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Palle 6 of 26 repeatedly. She questioned how many would be walldng or bicycling to the site, as has been presented by the applicant. Lulu Cordero, 2430 Wren Court, spoke in support of the project. In response to the comments about traffic to be generated during dismissal periods, she noted that the classes are dismissed at 3:30, while heavy work related traffic occurs at 5:00. She indicated that when the parldng is too heavy during special occasions, she parks at the shopping center. She noted that the important things she would consider when looking for a place to live would be that it be within close proximity of a school, a church, and a shopping center. She further added that in her opinion the school would increase the value of surrounding properties. Lolita Palomo, 20 Chateau Ct., spoke in support of the project. She noted that St. Augustine should not be singled as the only church with parking problems, since she has observed similar problems in other churches. She noted that St. Augustine is attempting to resolve the problem by encouraging parishioners to attend the least attended masses, and by adding more masses. She indicated that the church currently has approximately 500 students attending CCD and confirmation classes on Saturdays and weeknights, and to her lmowledge no complaints have been received that the children are making too much noise. She asked that a correction be made clear that the drop off and pick up point is not on Callan Boulevard, but on the church grounds. Teresa Dorr, 3781 Callan, noted that while they applaud the notion that the church is trying to reduce the amount of traffic and parking issue, no one has denied that all that traffic is dumping onto Callan. She noted that on three different occasions, she has encountered difficulty turning into her driveway, due to the problems with traffic on Callan. She indicated that the Airport Noise Commission has specifically told her that the west side of the street on Callan will not be insulated. She raised a concern that due to the size of the lots, the noticing excludes residents within the same block, noting that she did not receive notification until the November 5th meeting. She noted that the church has staked their enforcement and good faith on the establishment of a complaint process through the homeowner's association, while largest group affected by this does not have a homeowners association. (unidentified speaker), 2533 Pomeroy Ct., made reference to the site which originally was very large because it was intended for a school. She stated that it was later sold and now they are attempting to build a school on a lot that she thinks is too small and does not provide adequate space for the children. She noted that there are too many schools in the area, and that due to poor attendance, Foxridge School was closed five years ago. She expressed a concern that a pIivate school will take away from the public schools, and less fortunate children who cannot afford to attend private schools will suffer. She suggested that if they want to build a school they consider using the Foxridge School site. Debra Frenna responded to a comment made by one of the parishioners that traffic would not be a problem because the children would get out at 3:00 or 3:30 in the afternoon. She raised the issue of having been told that before and after school childcare will be provided at the site. She noted that she had made a number of suggestions to Rev. Tungol for alternate sites. She cited Foxridge and Fairmont in Pacifica as a possible sites which she could be arranged through a short-term leases or by buying out leases on properties that are not being fully utilized. Bob Bertoleni responded to Ms. Frenna concern about the noise level. He stated that he lives F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 7 of 26 between Foxridge and Monte Verde, and in 35 years has never heard any noise from the children playing. He also stated that for the record, the church community they did investigate the possibility of obtaining Foxridge School, and was informed that it is under lease for the next five years. Commissioner Masuda asked staff if there were merits to the comments that the school would be used for childcare. Mr. Upston responded that it would require that they apply as a separate proposal. Commissioner Honan asked Sgt. Massoni to respond to the comments that the police have reports regarding parking problems and towed vehicles. She asked if he has data that could support those statements. Sgt. Massoni noted that to come up with exact number of vehicles towed in relation to the church would be almost impossible because they would be traced back to the address from which they were towed, not from the church. He noted that as stated at the last meeting there has been a history of parking problems on Sundays during masses, and they have on occasion taken aggressi ve enforcement. Commissioner Honan asked if anything has been done to try to improve the parking problem. Sgt. Massoni noted that S gt. Metcalf has met with the priest and explained the problem, which resulted in the church publishing information in the bulletin informing the parishioners that the Police Department would be aggressively enforcing illegally parked vehicles during mass. He noted that it helped for a time, but reverts back to the same problem after a certain time. Commissioner Honan asked if there was some way to obtain information on the number of complaints before the next meeting. Sgt. Massoni noted that he would try; however it was difficult to secure that type of information. Commissioner Romero asked if any school district administrators of the church were available. Rev. Eugene Tungol, the Pastor of St. Augustine, addressed the issue of students, traffic, parents appealing the school which were presented at town hall meetings that occulTed three years ago. He noted that fifty parish students attend Lady of Mercy, sixty attend Holy Angels, thirty attend St. Roberts, twenty attend St. Veronica, fifteen attend All Souls, seven attend Our Lady of Perpetual Help, and approximately thirty attend the Highlands, and there is still a waiting list. He noted that prior to embarking in this project, a feasibility study was conducted to determine if the people were all coming from St. Augustine and the study indicated that they would, and furthermore 300 would not be sufficient to absorb all the students who are attending other schools right now. He indicated that the pastor at Our Lady of Mercy has told him he has a waiting list of 200 and 30 of them are from the St. Augustine parish. Regarding the traffic issue, he noted that the parents of these students are, and will continue to F:\FILE CABINE1\Oill PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 8 of 26 drive those students to other locations, while with a local school they could walle He stated that in efforts to alleviate the problem they have sixty small Christian communities composed of 8 or 10 people per community who are willing and committed to having car pools and/or walldng. He noted that they continue to remind the parishioners about the parking problems in response to the neighbors concerns since the parish is also concerned that the money goes in the collection box instead of to pay for tickets. He noted that raising the $3.5 million in funding through pledges was a major problem. Obtaining approval has created additional problems. Commissioner Romero noted that he has great deal of respect for the Catholic Church, adding that students that come from those schools are excellent students, and acknowledged that church does a great deal for the community. He asked Rev. Tungol how long ago the land referenced by the earlier speaker had been sold. Rev. Tungol noted that he has been in the parish since 1993, and just learned that it was sold in order to pay the debt for the rectory and the church. He noted that he thought it was sold about twenty years ago. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia asked if a decision had been made at that time that there would be no school at St. Augustine. Rev. Tungol noted that no such decision had been made at that time, however he thought the need had not arisen at that point since it was a small parish, but has resulted with the growth of the community. Commissioner Romero questioned whether the decision to sell the land which could have been used for a school, could have precluded the ability to go forward with a school of an appropriate size to serve the needs of the community. He also spoke of other situations with other churches that have expanded. Rev. Tungol responded that he does not have knowledge about why the land was sold since it was twenty years ago. However he noted that this is a very young parish that started with 1,000 parishioners and now averages 4,000 every Sunday. He noted that the problem has only been in effect since 1990, which he added is due to progress. Commissioner Romero pointed to another project that has been proposed for St. Veronica's for a multi-purpose room, and he asked if it was the intent of this project to move students from existing sites. Rev. Tungol responded that he was not aware of what is going on at St. Veronica's since they are independent. Commissioner Romero noted that he has asked staff in the past to invite administrators to come and discuss the master plan for future development. Rev. Tungol noted that he would put forth every effort to get the Superintendent of Catholic Schools to attend the next meeting to satisfy his questions. He also noted that he would provide F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\I20398.DOC Page 9 of 26 the feasibility study to share with the Commission. Commissioner Masuda requested that on the 1 ih he would like a count of the number of students that are going to these other schools that are residents instead of parishioners. Commissioner Honan asked Rev. Tungol for information on when last time they added another mass prior to the recent one that was added. Rev. Tungol noted that this is the first mass added since he has been at the parish. Commissioner Honan asked since another mass hadn't been added to try to resolve the parldng problem, what had he done before to try to resolve the parking problem. Rev. Tungol noted that they have encouraged the parishioners to attend other masses that that are less heavily attended. Commissioner Baldocchi thanked Rev. Tungol for taldng an aggressive stance in trying to resolve the traffic and parking problems, and encouraged him to continue doing that regal"dless of the outcome. She asked him if both the church expansion and the school were absolutely necessary. Rev. Tungol responded that the church needs to be expanded to accommodate the parishioners who are currently standing. He noted that they are not expecting additional parishioners. He added that the addition would include additional amenities, since parishioners hesitate to participate in certain ceremonies due to lack of space. Commissioner Honan asked if attendance of the new mass by 270 people would diminish the numbers for the remaining masses. Rev. Tungol responded that the seating was not the only issue being addressed, however it is one of the issues noting that they can currently seat 630, and the proposal calls for 800 which is required particularly for special occasions. Commissioner Baldocchi noted that she understands that there is a need for progress. However the church continues to close churches. She suggested that the problem should be communicated to the archdiocese, and maybe they should consider opening up other sites. Commissioner Romero asked if a school of a reduced size, which could be used for preschool for the community enabling younger children, in conjunction with the expansion of the church would be considered. Rev. Tungol noted that it could be looked at. Commissioner Sim noted that he would not be maldng any decisions tonight, however he was looking at a way to make this project a community effort instead of a parish effort which would benefit the entire community. He cited the suggestion made by Commissioner Romero, or a F:\FllE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Pa2:e 10 of 26 gymnasium that could be used by kids, preschool facility to benefit the community on a larger scale as possibilities for consideration. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that he is a product of parochial education, and has a great deal of respect for it. He commented that this is a major impact in Westborough. He asked Rev. Tungol if there were later masses than 5:30, and asked if the 4:00 mass has resulted in a reduction to any of the other masses. Rev. Tungol responded that it was difficult go gauge due to a 4ger game time conflict, and not enough time has lapsed to determine if it truly benefited other times. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia commented that being a leader in the community is not just a parish, St. Augustine, it's also the community residents and neighbors. He cited the earlier comments from the community for lack of notification to residents, and noted that the community of St. Augustine needs to reach out to their neighbors. Rev. Tungol responded that they sent out two mailings, with addresses obtained from the Planning Division, and in addition, they also put out letters from house to house to reach owner or tenant of all surrounding neighbors. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that they need to do more than that. He noted that from attending Catholic schools he has an insight on the fact that when you have schools, you increase the attendance of mass, and asked what increase is anticipated from the addition of the school. Rev. Tungol responded that they have an agreement among neighboring schools and palishes that parents are no longer attending the church where their children attend school. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia spoke to the definition of a parish. He stated that before a parish was the geographic local, but added that St. Augustine has become more of a regional parish. He asked if it drew from many surrounding cities. Rev. Tungol responded that St. Andrews, Lady of Mercy, Holy Angels, Mater Dolorosa, St. Roberts, San Bruno, also consist of majority Filipinos. He added that St. Augustine's is more diverse with a multi-ethnic mixture of Italians, Irish, Indians, Chinese, and Hispanic. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that he was referring more to the geographic residency. Rev. Tungol noted that the parish covers four cities, San Bruno, Pacifica, Daly City, and South San Francisco. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that one of the major concerns is parldng, and if he understood correctly the shopping center had declined to participate in the parking plan. Rev. Tungol responded that they have not declined, and are permitting the use. However, they have not agreed to a fixed commitment. F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Pa2:e 11 of 26 Chairman Pro Tem Teglia added that there is no guarantee that the shopping center can be counted on for the future, which is part of the Commission's job. He noted that it is difficult to consider something like this without being able to mitigate a lot of those impacts. He asked if additional later masses such as 6:45 could be added to spread out attendance, eliminating the need for the church expansion. Rev. Tungol noted that 6:45 is very late in the evening, it gets very dark, and sometimes very cold, adding that people would not come to mass that late. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that one of the things he was interested in knowing if there are any other creative ideas to help improve some of those impacts, such as later masses, which he would like to see on the 17th. Commissioner Sim noted that as an architect, who does work at other churches, he is aware of situations where churches have difficulty sustaining a revenue base to cover operating and other expenses. He asked if the school component was a revenue base to support those areas. He also asked if both the expansion and the school were a must or could it be an either/or situation. Rev. Tungol noted that they do not expect the school to help their revenues. Chairman Pro Teglia addressed staff and asked that they consider the suggestions made by some of the speakers about possibly changing the egress and parldng in the rear, and advise the Commission at the next meeting, as well as a needs assessment Motion-Romero/Second-Honan to continue to December 17, 1998. Approved by majority voice vote. Meeting recessed at 9: 15 p.m. Meeting reconvened at 9:30 p.m. 3. South San Francisco Scaven2er Company ~ Applicant~ Materials Recovery Facility and Transfer Station~ Easterly Terminus of East Jamie Court~ Case Nos. GP-98-013~ UP-98- 013~ ZA-98-013 and EIR-98-013 Continuation of the Public Hearing to take public comments on the adequacy and completeness of the draft South San Francisco Scavenger Company Material Recovery Facility and Transfer Station Environmental Impact Report (DEIR) Consulting Planner Lappen presented the staff report. He provided the Commission with an update on their requests from the previous meetings for expanded noticing, and expanded search for alternative sites. Ken Anderson, Sr., 443 Evergreen Drive noted that as a person who has lived in the City for the last 31 years, who loves the city and prides itself for having the best schools, shops, churches, police and fire departments; he felt that having one of the best facilities in the State for the waste management would only benefit the City. He noted that he looked forward to having this great F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 12 of 26 facility in the City and hoped that they would not be forced to leave the city. John Malley from San Bruno works at 451 East Jamie Court for the last 18 years noted that he only became aware of the meeting today. He noted that when they moved to this location it was out on the point with a nice view of the bay, and he had imagined some development that might go across the street such a nice dock, a marina, a Starbucks or something very nice which he envisioned some day that when they got enough parldng he could open up the upstairs and from a corner offices he'd be looking over the grand vista, and now he might be looldng at a garbage dump. He noted that he has 30 or 40 other fellow employees who were not aware that this was developing and showed interest in being here but had previous commitments. He noted that his concerns are for a safety traffic issue. He noted that he has been to the San Carlos facility and seen terrible traffic that develops. He noted that their operation is a distribution facility and they have trucks that go in and out, and the big trucks from the proposed facility could create a safety issue. He noted that the odor is of concern, and he also noted that he has asthma and allergies and is concerned with the effects of the odors and the chemicals in the air. He noted that he has heard that at one alternative site is being proposed, and expressed his opposition to a facility that is out of context with the light industrial area. Commissioner Masuda asked Mr. Malley if he had experienced any problems from the chemical plant directly behind this location. Commissioner Romero explained that what is being proposed is not a dump, it is a materials recycling facility, which is different. He added that everything going in will be in closed buildings, and garbage would not be visible on the site. He noted that many of the issues raised by the speaker have been addressed in the EIR, and mitigation measures have been required. He directed the speaker to the EIR document, and suggested that he review the document if he hasn't had the opportunity do so. James Swift, a resident of Burlingame. He noted that they moved into the facility at 360 Swift Avenue in 1981 for several reasons, one being that they wanted to be close to the Airport. He added that he was also attracted by the natural beauty of the area. He noted that over the last twenty years they have seen the trend go from heavy industry to light commercial. He noted that this shows a trend in the direction of South San Francisco, which the Planning Commission has fostered and been successful in developing. He noted that this is an opportunity to continue the trend in that direction, and he felt that this proposal represents a move backward from the direction the Council and the City have been moving during the last two decades. He noted that they learned of the proposal two days ago and had collected about 70 signatures of individuals who are affected by the project, and should it be considered further, he noted that more public input is required. He asked to go on record opposing the plan for the following reasons, the noise, odor, refuse that may be left on the streets and their property, and pollution in general. He added that he thinks it has an adverse effect on the environment particularly in this sensitive location, and thought itwould be a significant loss of property value. Vanessa Hanna, 289 Village Way expressed a concern with traffic in the area where she works, which is a cul-de-sac that is not very wide. She indicated that she currently finding herself having to maneuver around large trucks, which are limited now, but she is concerned that if they are increased she will have problems getting to work, and in and out of the parldng lot. F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC PaQe 13 of 2(-i Steve Lin, noted that he owns a 10,000 square foot condominium warehouse/office situated about 200 yards from site. He noted that he works at least 5 days, every day 10 hours in his office, which is an import business. He added that this is a very good area where people take advantage of the view, and could developed into a restaurant area, similar to Burlingame. He expressed a concern that in the future there may be some garbage or poison. He noted that comments indicate that everything will be safe, and there will be no problems, which may be true today, but there is no guarantee of that five or ten years later. He noted that in the last twelve months, three Class A office buildings have opened up and that trend should continue. He expressed a concern that their property value will decrease, and expressed concern for the traffic generated and possible environmental problems. Albert Hanna 289 Village Way noted that he is concerned with aesthetics in an area within such close proximity to bay and whether it will remain accessible to the bay. Commissioner Romero responded that one of the requirements for the project is that a 100' buffer be designed as a bay trail going completely around the site, that will be accessible to the public. He added that the Commission is very interested in maldng sure that this is designed properly for the benefit of the community. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia explained that any project going into that area will be required to install the bay trail. He noted that the issue is whether this is an appropriate use of the site. The EIR identifies the impacts and is the preliminary document that will be used in their discussions for deliberations. Randy Delana, 451 East Jamie Court, noted that he had been vacation when the notification came for the first meeting. He noted that he had sent in a letter a couple of days ago providing comments on the EIR. He noted that one of the things he wanted to point out was some inaccuracies on particular details. He noted that his building is described as Yellow Freight Line, noting that Lenaco Corporation is quite different from Yellow Freight Lines. He also noted that the report infers that they are a freight or trucking company, when in fact they only have four small trucks. They are a diverse operation of three companies, managing intellectual rights in area for a number of companies, including a pharmaceutical company, and distribution and design of hotel amenities. He noted that they have requested a response to in the letter for further study of traffic impacts, noise, odor, aesthetic, and economic impacts. He noted that some of the things they have seen look pretty good, however elevations in the designs are 'missing, particularly the ones facing the street, that they would like to see those included in the final EIR. He also indicated their desire for further study with regard to enhancing property values in the area. With regard to odor impact, they are concerned with how the cross winds disbursement of odors would occur. He spoke to the use, which he noted seems to be significantly higher than light industrial and coastal commercial use. He noted that the type of traffic for this project, unlike traffic that comes from light industrial or commercial use, is traffic which cannot decline through the use of alternative commute methods such as carpooling and other things, which they are promoting and have participated in conjunction with MTSMA. F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC PaQ:e 14 of 26 Commissioner Sim asked staff to respond to the point of an economic analysis, and asked if it was appropriate to provide something to help alleviate some of the speaker's concerns. Mr. Harnish responded that it was not appropriate, and only on a limited basis were purely economic issues looked at within an EIR. He noted that typically they are connected to land use and development issues that would have secondary economic impacts. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that this was an issue that he was looldng at from a land use perspective. He noted that the EIR touches on growth inducing impacts, and he asked if it was appropriate to consider the impact that significant redevelopment has occurred in the area, from the heavy steel industrial towards the bio-tech campus and hotel resorts planned towards the marina. He noted that coastal commercial is what they were hoping for in the area and would encourage hotels, or world headquarter offices. He asked if it was appropriate to look at those impacts from the point of view that if a MRF goes in that area, it would discourage other sites from those type of uses. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren responded that the answer to the question dovetails back to the answer to Commissioner Sim's question about property values. He noted that a proper subject of the EIR is land use compatibility, and that issue can be somewhat broadly addressed to include compatibility with planned uses and compatibility as it relates to a limited extent to vast differences between the values of land as reflecting a land use incompatibility. Mr. Harnish noted that staff would take those comments at face value and try to fashion a response. He noted that he does not want to get too speculative about the effects of this project on potential future development within the vicinity, adding that they have seen other transfer stations with office development immediately adjacent to them. He noted that staff could do some comparisons and look at some examples and talk in broad terms, but it will be a dialogue that can continue with the Commission at a future meeting. Commissioner Masuda asked if it was ldnd of late to be changing or adding to the EIR since the next meeting is scheduled for December 17th. Commissioner Baldocchi asked for clarification on the reference to this coming back in Janum"y. Mr. Harnish explained that assuming the comments can be addressed in a timely fashion, the plan is to come back to the Commission in January and hopefully enough information will be available to make a recommendation to the Council. Commissioner Baldocchi asked if the MRF has to be completely built according to State mandate by the end of the year in 1999. Mr. Harnish noted that this is the goal. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that there is also consideration for good faith effort. F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Pafle 15 of 26 Mr. Harnish stated that he believes that if the jurisdiction is in the process of putting together the means of meeting the AB939 goals, the State will not come in on January 1st and start imposing major penalties. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that while he has not reviewed the exact penalty provisions, his understanding is that it sets par goals, but does not contain draconian penalties for failure to achieve the goal. Commissioner Baldocchi stated that she would like to get a better understanding of those parameters, noting that at the study session she had asked about extensions, and she was told that there would be no extensions. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that he would provide a brief summary about the law and provisions for implementation and penalties for failure to achieve full compliance at the next meeting. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia asked if there was anyone else who would like to speak. Being none he invited comments from the Commission. He noted that Chris Barnett had mentioned some items, which he thought have been echoed already, one being the scope of the alternatives, which he noted has already been addressed by working on changing the scope to a five-acre parcel, and looking into what other alternatives are available. He noted that it is important to consider both the consolidated site and the separate sites. He asked if there are any other sites that may not be for sale, but might be approachable. He also requested that the previous request to seek help from the other municipalities to see if they have any other alternatives be pursued. He noted that while he was not sure if this was appropriate to the EIR, the fact exists that this site will not only serve South San Francisco since it will service garbage from other cities, the revenue seeldng issue is a concern of his. Mr. Harnish responded that his initial reaction is that this is not necessarily an environmental effect, since it's been happening for years and the nature of this project does not change the historic nature of the garbage collection process. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that the specific discussions about the contract itself are not truly related to physical impacts, direct or indirect. He noted that the larger issue of capacity is a proper subject for discussions in the EIR, and questions on whether there are any current contractual constraints with regard to that capacity or the factors of service to other jurisdiction. But he added that he did not think the contractual particulars are proper discussions here, but would be appropriate at the public hearing stage. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia made one last point to his earlier question regarding the reference to the tables of "above ground fuel tanks". He noted that the East of 101 policies in tonight's packet specifically speak to that issue, and indicate that there was a cut off date when those type of tanks were banned and should be part of the EIR. Mr. Harnish responded that this was an issue that will be addressed in the staff report, noting F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 16 of 26 that there has been some discussion about the policy which describes the prohibition of bulk storage of fuels, and whether it applies to individual fuel tanks. He pointed to the dilemma that they are faced with in determining which is best, since underground tanks eventually leak. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia requested that current precedents also be included of where above ground tanks have been denied. Commissioner Masuda spoke to the questions raised about charging Brisbane, San Bruno, Millbrae a fee for dumping garbage, that unless the city wants to put in a scale and weigh every truck that comes out of the facility, it was a problem, adding that the City is not in the business of collecting and charging garbage since there is a company who does that, and they have a contract, and that is their problem. Commissioner Romero responded that while he has not had a chance to review the contract thoroughly, he cited Section 4, which indicates that there is a franchise fee paid the City of 7% of the gross revenues, and also Section 5.13 that has a provision regarding the AB939 compliance. He noted that if we are serving as a host city, we should be entitled to some type of revenue for enabling Brisbane, the Airport and Millbrae to meet their AB939 requirements. He noted that the City would potentially lose revenue for potential development on the site if it were developed as a hotel or other revenue generating facility. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that he does not take issue with the points raised by Commissioner Romero, however he noted that for the benefit of the public here tonight, he asked that that discussion be confined to a hearing when those issues have been specifically been noticed. Commissioner Baldocchi noted that there would definitely be wear and tear to the City's infrastructure, which had been one of issue that created an outcry with the freight forwarders. Mr. Harnish responded that unlike the freight forwarders where the city was not able to extract any revenue generating stream from those users who seriously impact the streets, this applicant, because of the nature of the discretionary permit, would be required to provide some funds that will be directly related to their impacts on the streets. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that he had copies of the agreement that is being discussed and he would be happy to provide copies, and copies could also be obtained form the Planning Division. Commissioner Honan noted that the EIR report is geared for 1,000 tons of garbage a day. She asked how many tons a day the Scavengers were currently collecting. The Scavenger representatives responded that it was 600 tons per day. Commissioner Honan added that this still leaves 400 tons that can be used according to the EIR report. F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 17 of 26 Mr. Harnish noted that the application requested approval for 1,000 tons a day and the EIR was geared to analyze the impacts assuming that it was operating at that capacity, so the truck traffic, air quality, and all the impacts that are related to volume of activity were based on "the worst case" capacity, which may never be met. Commissioner Honan asked if they would be permitted to go up to 1,000 tons per day without coming back to the Commission. She also asked it the expansion could be from sources other than the current ones Mr. Harnish and Assistant City Attorney Lindgren responded in the affirmative to both questions. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that the EIR also addresses a reduced project at the 750 tons per day rate, which allows a smaller building, which would not permit expansion as far into the future. However far into the future according to his recollection it would more than take care of South San Francisco's needs. He asked if there were any other comments Commissioner Baldocchi noted that at the last meeting, she had requested that Brisbane and Millbrae be contacted to notify them of the mandate coming down. Mr. Harnish responded that staff is in the process of making those contacts, and the responses will be summarized in the staff report of the 7th. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that at the last meeting, notification had become a sensitive issue with the Commission again, and for that reason the Commission had requested expanded notification which has generated results. He noted that by looldng at the list, he notes that the notices are still going to property owners, and asked if that was correct. Mr. Lappen noted that the current notification is different from the one included with the staff report, and was expanded to a much larger area. He noted that there were two separate lists, one to the property owners taken from the Assessor's parcel list and another generated from street maps and created by address. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia asked staff to elaborate on the Genentech request for an extension. Mr. Harnish noted that they had requested additional time to provide comments on the EIR. Commissioner Romero asked for an estimate of how much additional time for comments had been requested. Mr. Harnish responded that they had asked for extension to the end of the month. Motion-Masuda/Second-Honan. Approved by unanimous voice vote 4. Bio Patholo2Y Sciences Medical Corp.~ Applicant~ Blum Associates~ Owner~ 393 East Grand Avenue~ Suite I~ Case No. UP-98-103 and Cate20rical Exemption~ Class L F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 18 of 26 Section 15301 Use Permit allowing hours of operation from 2 A.M. to 10 P.M. Mondays through Saturday for a small lab facility, situated at 393 East Grand Avenue, Suite I, in the Planned Industrial Zone District (P-I). Senior Planner Carlson presented the Staff Report. Sharon Osborn, 715 A Bradford Way, Pacific, representing the BioPathology Scientist Medical Corp. noted that they would like to see the Commission approve the application and noted she was available to answer any questions. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia and asked if there was anyone in the audience who would like to speak, being none he closed the public hearing and invited comments from the Commission. Commissioner Honan asked for clarification on the hours, since there appeared to be Saturday hour conflicts. Ms. Osborn responded that they anticipated the hours to be from 2:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Commissioner Baldocchi asked for clarification of what biologic pathology specimens were. She also asked what the current hours of operation were. Ms. Osborn responded that it was the tissue removed by doctors that require pathology reports. She noted that they are currently seeking permits to start the business. Motion-SimlSecond-Masuda. Approved by the following roll call vote: AYES: Chairman Pro Tem Teglia, Commissioner Romero, Commissioner Sim, Commissioner Baldocchi, Commissioner Honan, Commissioner Masuda None None Chairman Barnett NOES: ABSTAIN: ABSENT: 5. City of South San Francisco~ Applicant~ Telecommunication Communication~ Ordinance~ Case Nos. ZA-98-094 and Ne2ative Declaration No. 98-094 Amendment of Title 20 (Zoning Ordinance) of the South San Francisco Municipal Code adding regulations establishing siting, design and review and approval procedures of telecommunication facilities throughout the City. Sr. Planner Carlson presented the Staff Report. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia asked if there was anyone in the audience, who would like to speak, being none he closed the public hearing and invited comments from the Commission. F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 19 of 26 Commissioner Masuda asked if item 5, page 5, line 7 should include a height limit. He fUI1her asked it should request a height in proportion to the building, noting that Page 11, 15 reads, "no less than 6 feet". Mr. Carlson responded that oftentimes there are variable heights. He noted that the screening would attempt to match the height of the cabinet. He noted that if a structure is too tall, staff is going to rely more upon the structure to provide the adequate type of screening, so it will be a structure that is finished to compliment it's surroundings, rather than rely upon a fence. In response to whether each case involving taller facilities would come before the Commission, he noted that depending on the nature, they may not all come before the Commission. However, he noted that he could not think of an example where staff would want a fence to match the height of a building. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia used an example of the Nextel installation at the wind harp, which was lowered to minimize the view. Commissioner Masuda noted that his point was not to screen the building, it was for equipment boxes. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren suggested that language could be added to page 5, paragraph 5, after the first sentence, that "All equipment, buildings cabinet and/or other structures shall be sized appropriate to the contents, or shall not be larger than is necessary to accommodate the facilities contained therein". Further discussions followed on possible language change to secure stricter language. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that he felt that the way page 4, paragraph b is drafted, is intended to inform the specific sentences that follow, and is intended to leave additional discretion, and to leave the clear policy guidance that the Commission has requested about stealthing. Commissioner Romero asked for clarification of the language on page 6, line 14, he asked if it was referring to cumulative impacts of successive projects. Mr. Carlson responded that some companies have indicated that they could extend the height of a tower, and staff has limited that to 15 feet. He noted that this is usually done to put on another array, and this language was intended to allow some expansion, but limited. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia asked if the ordinance would allow that they could come in for co- location and add 15 feet to the 45-foot antenna. Mr. Carlson responded that unless the Commission specifically limited the antenna height if it came to them for review, and said they could not extend above a certain height. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that he would feel uncomfortable allowing tower extensions F:\FILE CABINET\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 20 of 26 to specific permitted uses, but perhaps it could be under conditional permitted uses. Mr. Carlson noted that the only areas where the towers would be permitted are in Planned Industrial area, and staff's understanding was that the Commission had less concern with towers in that area. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia, noted that in his opinion the problem is that each site is unique, and should be determined on a case by case. He added that he had a problem with making something an automatic permitted use, and he felt that in dealing with heights, it should be reviewed by the Commission. Commissioner Sim noted that the one key thing he had asked for was for flexibility, and he felt that with 12 pages, this was a good start, particularly since this is constant evolving technology. He noted that he agreed with Chairman Pro Tern Teglia that the Commission should be granted the opportunity to review for an application for height. Sr. Carlson asked if the Commission is proposing that Section b, (2), be struck. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that should be allowed, but not under specific permitted, but rather under a conditional use. Commissioner Romero asked to go back to page 6, line 14, if staff it was refening to antennas only, and not towers. Mr. Carlson responded that sometimes the antenna array is extended. Commissioner Sim asked for the appropriateness of asldng that the Design Review Board be allowed the opportunity to give the Commission suggestions. Commissioner Honan noted that she did not see anything wrong with the existing document, noting that she did not feel that the Commission needs to approve every antennae and every pole that goes up, noting that staff is more than capable of handling that, and she recommended leaving it as is. Commissioner Romero noted that he was only asking for clarification of the language, and did not want to change anything, except Page 12, item 7, line 14, which deals with the removal of the antennas and towers. He suggested that the language be clarified whether this means the owner of the antenna, or the owner of the building, or if it is a joint responsibility of both. Mr. Carlson noted that it is a joint responsibility. Commissioner Romero asked the Assistant City Attorney if he could respond to whether the language is adequate as written. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren noted that he would draft a clarification. F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 21 of 26 Chairman Pro Tem Teglia responded to Commissioner Honan's comments, adding that the current language reads that it is a specific permitted use, which does not give staff discretion, and he thinks they should have discretion. Discussions ensued that the Commission did not want to see the item continued, and did not want it to come back. By consensus of the Commission, a modification in the language was requested to place it under Zoning Administrator review. Commissioner Baldocchi asked if it was appropriate to include language in the ordinance on where the money that is generated from this goes. Mr. Harnish noted that his understanding is that the funds are going toward providing technology equipment for the City. Assistant City Attorney Lindgren clarified that the request for this evening is to continue this item until the next meeting so that staff can bring additional conforming changes. Motion-Masuda/Second-Sim to continue to December 17th. Chairman Pro Tem Teglia noted that it was after 11:00. Mr. Harnish recommended continuing this item to the next meeting. 6. City of South San Francisco~ Applicant~ Case No. ZA-96-113 Zoning Ordinance Amendments establishing new zoning districts, development standards and approval procedures. ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS 7. Items from Staff Mr. Harnish noted that a notice will be sent to the Commission on this, however the City Council would be having a special study session on Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 6:00 p. m. to discuss the Terrabay Phase II issues, adding that while it is not a joint study session, it will be noticed, in anticipation of the Commission's attendance. He noted that the purpose of the meeting is lm"gely to address the Phase II issues raised by the Commission. He noted that staff has been working with the applicant to make modifications to the project. He stated that informally the Council had seen some of the exhibits which the Commission has seen on the Point, and given their comments and reaction. He met with the City Manager and Marty Van Duyn to discuss how to approach the Commission and Council concerns, because it seemed that the kind of changes that were being discussed may not be satisfactory to either the Commission, or the City Council. Therefore, the purpose of the Study Session is to have the applicant air their proposed changes and get a general response as to whether or not they have gone far enough. F:\Fll..E CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 22 of 26 8. Items from Commission Commissioner Masuda again asked about his previous request about gardeners blowing the trimmings out into the gutters. He also noted that he has seen several trucks, and doesn't see business licenses on the windshield. He asked if there is something that could be done about this. 9. Items from the Public Mayor Datzman spoke to the Commission and noted that he wanted to take the opportunity to advise the Commission that one of the things he feels is very important is the fact that the time and energy and commitment placed into these matters by the Commission and staff may not be recognized the way they should. He noted that he wanted to reassure the Commission that the function which they are performing is both recognized and appreciated, and acknowledged the fact that it is difficult when you are dealing with a situation where you are short handed. He noted that they want to do as good a job as possible to recognize the need to fill both vacancies in a timely fashion. He noted that they plan to pay a lot of attention to what Boards and Commissions are doing. He thanked the Commission and Staff for their service. 10. Adjourn Motion- Teglia/Second- Baldocchi The Meeting was adjourned at 11:15 p.m. I ristopher Barnett, C Planning Commission City of South San Francisco Jim H ish r Secretar to tr.'f-Planning Commission City of S uth ~an Francisco JH:is NEXT MEETING: Regular Meeting December 17, 1998, Municipal Services Building, 33 Arroyo Drive, South San Francisco, CA. F:\FILE CABINE1\OLD PC\WORKING\MINUTES\1998\120398.DOC Page 23 of 26