HomeMy WebLinkAbout04.28.2016 Minutes @3:30Meeting will be held at:
CITY HALL CONFERENCE ROOM
400 GRAND AVENUE
SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, CA
THURSDAY, APRIL 28, 2016
3:30 p.m.
Court Reporter's Transcript (the "Transcript ") of meeting attached and incorporated by reference
into these Minutes.
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Call to Order:
3:43 p.m.
Roll Call: Present:
South San Francisco:
Councilmember Normandy and Mayor
Addiego.
San Mateo County Harbor District:
Commissioner Brennan and President
Mattusch.
Public Comments:
Absent:
None.
Comments reflected in Transcript.
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THE OYSTER POINT MARINA JOINT POWERS
AUTHORITY AGREEMENT LIAISON GROUP
P.O. Box 711 (City Hall, 400 Grand Avenue)
South San Francisco, California 94083
Meeting will be held at:
CITY HALL CONFERENCE ROOM
400 GRAND AVENUE
SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, CA
THURSDAY, APRIL 28, 2016
3:30 p.m.
Court Reporter's Transcript (the "Transcript ") of meeting attached and incorporated by reference
into these Minutes.
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3.
Call to Order:
3:43 p.m.
Roll Call: Present:
South San Francisco:
Councilmember Normandy and Mayor
Addiego.
San Mateo County Harbor District:
Commissioner Brennan and President
Mattusch.
Public Comments:
Absent:
None.
Comments reflected in Transcript.
4. Discussion regarding Joint Powers Authority Agreement between the San Mateo
County Harbor District and the City of South San Francisco.
No Action Taken.
Comments reflected in Transcript.
Discussion regarding Oyster Point Short-Term and Long -Term Flood Protection
Plans Required by the San Francisco Bay Regional Water Quality Control Board.
No Action Taken.
Comments reflected in Transcript.
6. Discussion of Committee's Next Steps and setting of future meeting dates.
No Action Taken.
Comments reflected in Transcript.
7. Adjournment
Being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 5:26 p.m.
Submitted:
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City of Sou an Fran
Approved:
Mark Addiego, Mayor
City of South San Francisco
Tom Mattusch, President
San Mateo County Harbor District
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REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF MEETING PROCEEDINGS
HARBOR DISTRICT LIAISON SUBCOMMITTEE
OF THE CITY COUNCIL
Thursday April 28, 2016,
3:30 - 5:26 p.m.
City Hall, City Manager's Conference Room
400 Grand Avenue
South San Francisco, California
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AGENDA ITEMS
1. Call to Order
2. Public Comment
3. Discussion regarding Oyster Point
Short -Term and Long -Term Flood
Protection Plans required by the
San Francisco Bay Regional Water
Quality Control Board. (Brian McMinn,
Public Works Director /City Engineer
and Steve McGrath, General Manager)
4. Discussion regarding Joint Powers
Authority Agreements between the
San Mateo County Harbor District and
the City of South San Francisco
5. Discussion of Committee's next steps
and setting of future meeting dates
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APRIL 28, 2016
PROCEEDINGS
3:30 P.M.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Tom, you were going to defer
to me to open the meeting?
MR. MATTUSCH: That's correct.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay. Thank you.
So we'll go ahead and call this special
meeting of the liaison standing committee to order
for this Thursday, April the 28th, and we'll have a
roll call.
CITY CLERK: Mayor Addiego.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Here.
CITY CLERK: Councilwoman Normandy.
MS. NORMANDY: Present.
CITY CLERK: Harbor Commissioner Mattusch.
MR. MATTUSCH: Here.
CITY CLERK: Harbor Commissioner Brennan.
MS. BRENNAN: Yes.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: And we do have a public
comment portion to this public meeting. So if any
member of the public who has assembled would like to
address the subcommittee, now would be the time.
And if not, we'll move on to the first item
of business.
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CITY CLERK: Discussion regarding Oyster
Point Short -Term and Long -Term Flood Protection
3 Plans required by the San Francisco Bay Regional
Water Quality Control Board. Brian McMinn, Public
Works Director /City Engineer, and Steve McGrath,
General Manager.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So, Brian, would you like to
begin?
MR. McMINN: Thank you. I'll take everybody
through. I put in front of you a booklet that says
Item 3 Attachments. And basically these are just
documents of record that I'll reference as I kind of
take you through the chronology of the State Water
Resources Control Board's order that was issued to
the City on December 9th and received by the City on
December 10th.
Based on reports of periods of ponding water
from a November 25th king tide, the Regional Board
issued an order, requirement for submittal of
technical reports. In that order they required that
the City submit a short -term flood protection
implementation schedule to address and correct
ponding and flooding at the landfill. And that plan
was due on January 30th, 2016.
The City subsequently applied for an
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extension of that deadline. Although the board did
not grant that extension, they said they would
not -- that they would not pursue enforcement if the
City submitted a short -term plan by February 30th
that was suitable to the executive director.
The plan also -- the order also calls for a
long -term flood protection plan and implementation
schedule that documents and considers feasible
options for achieving protection of the landfill
from 100 -year flood in the face of rising sea tides
and increased flood frequency and intensity. That
plan is scheduled and due for May 30th of 2016.
Subsequent to receipt of this order, staff
from the Commission and the City got together and
discussed bringing a proposal to the respective
governing boards to share in the cost of preparing
the plan to be submitted in response to this order.
The second document in the packet is a
resolution from the City of South San Francisco put
into effect on January 13th, 2016, to that effect
for the cost sharing.
And then we have in the documents as well a
February 17th letter from the board of harbor
commissioners. And that is the agreement for
funding the engineering studies at the Oyster Point
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Marina. Basically the District's commitment as well
and the City. And although the document that's in
the packet is not fully executed, a fully executed
copy has been provided to the general manager; and
so both parties have agreed to those terms.
The City hired a consultant per the terms of
the agreement, and that consultant prepared a
topographic survey of Oyster Point to identify areas
that were low, areas potentially subject to ponding
during tides and rain events. And that became part
of the short -term plan. From that topo the
engineers identified those areas and called them out
on a set of plans submitted to the Regional Board.
And the plan calls for regrading those areas and
repaving areas in areas that have pavement. That
plan is shown on page 13 of the attachments here.
It also called for putting in some flap
valves in some of the low -lying storm drains that
drain to the bay area to prevent the tide waters
from backing up into those drains and into the
parking lots.
Along with that is a schedule to complete
the work to mitigate those before the next winter
storms. And the estimate for the cost of those
repairs is currently at $285,000.
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The last document in the packet is a
March 21st letter from the Regional Water Quality
Control Board stating that they concur with the
submittal of the short -term flood protection plan
and have accepted that.
Staff are currently working with the
consultant on the long -term plan to be submitted by
the end of March in accordance with the order. And
that -- the outline of that plan is being prepared
to put in front of the Regional Board for an initial
review and kind of an acceptance of the direction
that it's going in so that when the final report is
submitted, that it will be informed that they're
expecting, and that will be shared with the harbor
general master -- general manager before that plan
goes in, as well as opportunity for respective
bodies to get a review of that.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Thank you, Brian.
So does anyone have a question of Brian
before we move on?
MS. BRENNAN: I do. Yeah.
So I just want to make sure I understand
correctly. So the engineering plan that has already
been completed, that's included in the information
you provided us, the cost for that was how much?
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MR. McMINN: 285,000.
MS. BRENNAN: Just for this plan.
MR. McMINN: For the short -term
implementation --
MR. MATTUSCH: Implementation.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: She's asking for just the
documents.
MR. McMINN: Oh, the document itself.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yes.
MR. McMINN: The invoice that we received to
date was 17,000.
MS. BRENNAN: Okay.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: And the proposed short -term
fix in the amount of 285- is what's agreed to in
this final --
MR. McMINN: That's to implement the
short -term plan.
MS. BRENNAN: Thank you.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Anyone else?
And so I guess the next natural step is to
look at that $285,000 number and understand how we
will be approaching that so...
Did the Harbor District want to weigh in at
this point or --
MR. McGRATH: No, I think Brian's report was
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pretty comprehensive. I do appreciate being brought
into the loop during the selection of the
consultant. And interested in seeing, actually, a
bit of a breakout to come at some point how that --
what comprises that 285 -.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay. So I think the last
time Tom and I met in this room with our respective
staffs, we knew that the city attorney was going to
be looking into past documents and to try to see
where responsibility might lie. And I guess he has
done enough of that where you're prepared to --
MR. ROSENBERG: Yes, I can speak briefly to
that. Thank you.
Hi. Jason Rosenberg, City Attorney.
So we last spoke -- I know your counsel may
have a different opinion as to responsibility of
allocation, but our position still remains the same,
and has been consistent all along, that the JPA
clearly states operation and maintenance of the park
and the appurtenant areas are the responsibility of
the Harbor District.
In my initial review of some of the
documents we were able to look at the Harbor
District seems to be consistent with that
understanding. It's historically been interpreted
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that way by previous City staff, Harbor District
staff, kind of correspondence acknowledging, "yeah,
we'll do it." I think there's even been times where
the Harbor District has done feasibility studies --
I think 2007, 2014 -- addressing the deteriorating
parking lot, the need to address that issue. And
there's been, you know, some acknowledgment of, you
know, we -- I remember I think you and Matt saw
something, I can't remember now, that the OES gave
the Harbor District funding for addressing the sea
wall, the riprap, that the Harbor District ended up
using to do that.
So it kind of is consistent with the
position we've set forth before, that this is -- the
vast majority of this is the need to regrade this
parking lot that has been -- as far as we can tell,
has not been done in a really, really long time; and
it just needs to be done. And I think previous
Harbor District board or staff has said, you know,
this needs to be done, and where are we -- there's
money been budgeted, it's not been spent. And
there's times the money hasn't been budgeted. And
that's kind of from a high level, without, you know,
going through all the documents bit by bit.
And, you know, I'm happy to share what I do
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have -- not with me now, but the documents with
counsel or staff -- if you want to kind of see where
I'm going with that.
MS. BRENNAN: I have a question. Could you
provide us with that information, like, on a cloud
server or something so we can download it?
MR. ROSENBERG: Sure. Yeah. I mean --
MR. FUTRELL: Let me first make clear I
believe the documents you're referring to were
obtained from the Harbor District as a result of the
public records request. So they're already
documents that we got from you guys. The city
attorney has gone through those and, as I appreciate
it, has pulled out a history of the Harbor District
taking responsibility for this issue over a long
period of time is documented in those documents. So
I think you already have those documents.
MS. BRENNAN: Well, just to clarify, I think
that the PRA request was for many --
MR. FUTRELL: Yes.
MS. BRENNAN: -- thousands of documents.
And so instead of -- you know, I have a day job. So
instead of looking for a needle in a haystack, it
would be really helpful if we could see the specific
documents that relate --
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FUTRELL:
Sure.
Absolutely.
MS.
BRENNAN:
-- to
what we're talking
about.
MR. ROSENBERG: Absolutely. No problem.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: and I can't imagine why we
wouldn't do that.
MR. FUTRELL: As to the technical, we will
attempt to navigate the cloud. If not, we'll
provide them to --
MS. BRENNAN: Whatever works.
MR. McGRATH: I think we have a record of
that as well. Of the specific documents that you
requested copies of. I mean, we accumulated a large
number of documents.
MR. ROSENBERG: Yeah.
MR. McGRATH: I think you only --
MR. ROSENBERG: I can share with you the
documents --
MR. McGRATH: -- pulled out the documents --
MR. ROSENBERG: -- that I think are the most
relevant.
MR. McGRATH: But that would be helpful.
MR. ROSENBERG: They're all public.
MR. McGRATH: Yeah.
MR. ROSENBERG: I mean, they're your
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documents.
MR. McGRATH: All right. Yeah. Sure.
MR. FUTRELL: And it's not our intent to
create work or hide the ball.
MR. McGRATH: Understood.
MR. MILLER: Can I jump in?
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Please.
MS. BRENNAN: Could he sit up here so --
MR. McGRATH: You should if you can.
MR. MILLER: Sure.
I just wonder whether it wouldn't be helpful
if everybody, in addition to just providing some
documents, to provide an explanation what you think
those documents say.
When we met last time I think -- my
recollection is we had a discussion that your to -do
list, Jason, was going to be to put down in writing
why -- some support for the opinion you had then and
you continue to have now.
And we're open to hearing what you have to
say; but I think it would be helpful, rather than
just say "Look at Documents X, Y, and Z," to say
"And we think they say the following."
MR. FUTRELL: Okay.
Now, could we do so under the cloak of
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settlement negotiations or something that would
preclude their use in subsequent proceedings?
MR. MILLER: So I'm happy to -- maybe Jason
and I need to talk offline about that. I mean, I
think
MR. ROSENBERG: Well, why don't we just
start with the documents that are public, and then
maybe -- I mean, I think it looks like a sequel
exception that the Harbor District filed for
addressing, you know, flooding. So I think that
speaks for itself. So some stuff I think very much
speaks for itself, and I can provide it to you. And
then if you still want briefing on that, so to
speak.
MR. MILLER: It's not so much briefing. And
I do recall, I mean, having this conversation
because if -- we were wondering why we hadn't heard
from you after our last meeting. And if it's
because of your concern that they be made public, we
should address that concern.
Interesting I hadn't thought of this issue
as being part of a settlement discussion so I have
to think about that a little bit.
MR. FUTRELL: I'd be interested to hear
Jason's --
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MS. BRENNAN: Could I ask a question?
Because I'm getting a little lost here. What does
that mean, be part of settlement proceedings? I'm
not an attorney so I don't understand what that
means.
MR. FUTRELL: From my perspective -- first,
to answer your earlier question, we had decided to
wait for this liaison committee to give the proper
officials the opportunity to work this out as
opposed to being a staff -to -staff discussion. At
some point it needs to be elevated to the proper
officials. The concern that I have is that if we
are unable to reach an accord on who is responsible
for payment, there is the potential for litigation.
And I don't think any of us want our discussions to
become part of evidence at some subsequent
litigation. So it allows the parties to more freely
discuss without fear that later in some deposition
something that you said in this meeting would be
used against you or against us.
MR. MILLER: Let me be clear. What I was
hoping for was not an offer that could be construed
as something that you wouldn't want to make public
in a settlement. I just want to understand. I've
heard you say now a bunch of times we think the
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District is responsible, and you've heard us say a
bunch of times we don't understand why you think
we're responsible. So I just want to learn more.
May be that you'll write a great letter, and we'll
go, oh, we get it. But we're not getting it right
now. We need some help getting it. So that's what
I'm looking for. I don't think I'm looking for
anything that would be --
MR. ROSENBERG: Well, maybe we can have a
discussion off line
MR. MILLER: That sounds great.
MR. ROSENBERG: I think that would be the
most fruitful solution.
MR. MILLER: Sounds good.
MR. ROSENBERG: Yeah.
MR. MATTUSCH: This is just a discussion of
operation and maintenance of the marina versus
maintenance of the land itself, that we don't own;
and I think that's what we have to kind of clear up
just a little bit.
MR. ROSENBERG: Well, the JPA deals with the
appurtenances as well. Park, pathways, appurtenant
improvements as well.
MR. McGRATH: An appurtenance is?
MR. ROSENBERG: Things attached to the area.
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MR. McGRATH: Attached to the land?
MR. ROSENBERG: Yes.
MR. McGRATH: But if the land is sinking...
MR. ROSENBERG: It's still the land.
MR. MATTUSCH: I guess when some of us read
the JPA, though, we say the JPA is quite clear on
the land is the responsibility of the City and
maintaining the operation of a marina is the
responsibility of the Harbor District. Or at least
that's the way I was reading it. And I think that
we're looking at running a marina and trying to do
so in total favor of everyone here; but my
interpretation at this point is that sinking land
doesn't fall into a simple maintenance agreement.
Maintenance is cutting the grass, trimming a tree.
It's not raising the level of the land by two to
three feet.
MS. BRENNAN: So I was looking at this
document here, which I'm sure you all have a copy
of, the geotechnical investigation. Which is --
let's see what date. October 20th, 1976. And this
was produced for the City of South San Francisco.
And it talks in here about the landfill. I've
looked for this document because I was trying to
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understand a little bit more about how the landfill
was constructed. And it has a section on page 10
which talks about settlement. And it says right
here, the very first sentence, "surface settlements
at this site" of as much -- "as much as 6 to 7 feet
are anticipated under existing conditions."
So I take this to mean that the City knew
that there was going to be a significant amount of
subsidence over the years. Obviously we don't have
any idea when that subsidence is going to stop. It
could be continuing for the next few decades. And
it's my understanding that the flooding that's been
happening but -- over the last few decades, but been
getting progressively worse as the subsidence
increases and as sea level rises. So it's an
unfortunate double- whammy situation where we've got
subsidence compounded by sea level rise. And, you
know, it's -- it's a landfill combined with Mother
Nature, so that's kind of what's happening here.
And I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how
the Harbor District, which is responsible for
managing the marina, could be responsible for the
subsidence that was clearly anticipated when the
landfill was constructed.
So those are questions that come up for me.
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And it sounds like our counsel, the two counsels,
are going to have some off -line discussion; but I
hope that whatever comes out of that discussion
informs the City Council as well as the Harbor
Commission so that we're in the loop and we're
learning, you know. I think that there's a lot to
learn. I think, you know, this issue with the
subsidence and with sea level rise, it's been going
on for a really long time; but it just hasn't been
looked at because it didn't reach the tipping point
where people were coming to public meetings and
complaining about it.
And that's sort of how this all came up, is
we had a member of the public come and speak, and
his chief complaint was that the Harbor District
paid for a guest dock and the guest dock happens to
be located right near the harbor master's office.
And I don't remember how much we paid for
the guest dock; but, anyway, it's really a nice
facility. And the complaint that he was making is
that when you -- when you disembark from the docks,
if the tide is high, you step into water or you
can't get off the dock because it's flooded, and
that flooding is increasing over time. And so it's
starting to impact the infrastructure that the
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District has put in place, like our floating docks
and things like that, where, fortunately, the docks
float so they're rising, but the land isn't. It's
sinking. So when you step off the docks, you're in
a flood. And so that is a problem, you know, that
needs to get sorted out. And, fortunately, it's not
the whole area, it's only certain sections of Oyster
Point. So, fortunately, the subsidence hasn't
impacted some of the higher ground. Although those
areas have also experienced significant subsidence.
You can feel that when you drive out. It's like a
roller coaster. I mean, we've all driven out there.
But it's -- but the landfill was high enough in
those points where the subsidence isn't impacting --
or flooding isn't occurring.
So, you know, it is an issue that I think
needs to get resolved; and it would be in the
public's best interest to find a solution.
But I guess my take on it is just that I see
us as the sort of the managers of the marina, and I
see South San Francisco as the owners of the land or
the landlords and the beneficiaries of any future
development that might happen out there, which I
would think could be quite profitable down the road.
And so it would seem that it would be most
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beneficial for the City to maintain the landfill so
that that future development would -- there would be
more opportunity.
And, you know, being that the JPA expires in
10 years, it doesn't seem very logical for the
District to invest a lot of money into a property
that the District doesn't own and only has a 10 year
commitment left on. So that's -- I mean, that sort
of sums up my perspective on it.
But at the same time, you know, I think we
did -- we did offer to help with the cost of that
even though it's not that much compared to the cost
of the short -term project. We did offer to
contribute towards the engineering study. And I'm
very interested in hearing more about the long -term
plan and what that -- have we -- is there any
updates on what -- where that's headed?
MR. McMINN: The consultants put together a
draft. I haven't -- I just got it yesterday, but I
need to review it and then share it with --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Is that the document that
has to be done by the end of May?
MR. McMINN: Yes. Yes.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: I think Commissioner Brennan
brings up a good point because we're dealing with --
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we're dealing with ponding. So that ponding, as
shown on page 13, is, you know, sporadic throughout
the entire area. But I think of greater concern is
the observation that the relatively new guest dock,
that entire peninsula is impacted, is flooded in a
big way.
Our short -term fix, I guess, doesn't need to
address that because it was just a ponding issue;
but, you know, there is infrastructure that's in
harm's way and will continue to be. So it's a much
greater fix at some point.
MR. FUTRELL: I don't believe I have the
1976 study. Was that in the Harbor District
records?
MS. BRENNAN: Fabulous read. I highly
recommend it. Thankfully, it is double spaced.
MR. McGRATH: I didn't go through those
records personally. I would assume so. I believe
it's -- it's out there.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Geotechnical --
MS. BRENNAN: I have a pdf I could provide.
MR. McGRATH: And it's on our website.
MR. FUTRELL: That would be excellent.
It's on your website? Okay.
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MAYOR ADDIEGO: And you haven't powered
through that yet, Mr. Rosenberg?
MR. ROSENBERG: I have not.
MR. FUTRELL: I'm only back to 1982 --
MR. McGRATH: I think we discovered it in
preparing the responses so it should be somewhere;
but if you don't have it --
MR. FUTRELL: Understand. Thank you very
much.
(Simultaneous overlapping speakers.)
THE REPORTER: I'm sorry. Can you try not
to talk all at the same time.
MR. FUTRELL: I apologize.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: We're government people,
we're prone to do that.
MS. BRENNAN: So just back to the long -term
plan for a sec. So that draft is out. And so we
might be able to see a draft of it soon?
MR. McMINN: The outline. Once I take a
look at it, see if that's something that we want to
be going in that direction. So I would say probably
by next week we'll probably be sharing that.
MS. BRENNAN: I did want to chime in, too,
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and just mention that we had a site visit for the
first time, I think, since I've been on the board,
this week. It was a publicly noticed meeting at
Oyster Point. And we had a little visit with Jim
Merlo, who is our harbormaster there; and he gave us
a tour. One of the things we looked at, since you
mentioned the peninsula where the guest dock is, is
we took a look at the harbormaster's office. And
maybe you're all aware of this, but I'm going to
mention it in case you're not. When you look at
that building, there's a skirt around the bottom of
the building and there's a ramp that goes up to the
door. When the building was originally placed
there, the ramp wasn't there and the skirt wasn't
there because the land was at least 3 to 4 feet
higher. And so what's happened is the land has
compressed and subsided by 3 to 4 feet; and so now
that structure is just kind of floating on piers.
So if you walk around the side of the building, the
skirt's open, and you can look underneath and see
the piers there. And you can also see where we've
had to add all kinds of flexible cabling and conduit
to connect our, you know, sewer and water --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Utilities.
MS. BRENNAN: -- and electrical.
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So we've had to add these extensions to, you
know, accommodate the level of subsidence. So I
think that that building really best illustrates,
you know, the level of subsidence over the years.
And it's kind of shocking; but if you were just to
walk up, you wouldn't really know. I mean, you
would have no way of telling that that was going on.
So, you know, it's a lot of subsidence; but
according to this document it could have been
6 feet.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: It may not be done.
MS. BRENNAN: It may not be done. That's
true.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: It's interesting,
Commissioner Brennan, if you look two, three, or
four story office buildings and they're not on
landfill but it was maybe poorly compacted bay fill
and the same situation has occurred to that
building. So there has been some major reinvestment
to stabilize and keep track of the utilities. It's
the price you pay for that beautiful bay view.
MS. BRENNAN: And it is a beautiful view, no
doubt.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So I'm in a little bit of a
quandry how to proceed. I think it might be
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valuable to have a discussion between electeds.
Most often there's not a definitive answer,
especially when we're dealing with documents that go
back 40 years. Not necessarily definitive answer
that it's all on the City or all on the Harbor
District. We don't usually get there no matter how
much we position ourselves. So it might tend to be
more of a gray area. And maybe we should explore,
at least on this initial fix, if there's any sense
that there could be a partnership to some degree.
MR. MATTUSCH: Is there any --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: If it's purely a
tenant - landlord, then I do understand that position.
At the same time there's some other language that
led me to believe that there was some responsibility
too.
MR. MATTUSCH: Have we researched whether
scavenger had any reserves, funds, or protection
against this when the landfill was being built and
completed and the cap was originally installed?
MR. ROSENBERG: We didn't find anything in
our review about that issue. You mentioned, like, a
pot of money or something.
MR. MATTUSCH: There was some set aside
rumored.
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MR. ROSENBERG: Unfortunately, not. We did
not find that. Yeah. And to date we have not
discovered that. I mean, there is a lot of records
and some of them are incomplete, and there's
something that tells a story that you don't get the
last chapter on some of these records and it's, you
know... But I have not found anything yet.
MS. BRENNAN: Well, you know, when you look
at this, this is pretty daunting_ This is page 17
out of the --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: It's our future.
MS. BRENNAN: -- Terra Tech -- it says
potential inundation areas. And I thought this was
really interesting because I've been going to some
of the County sea level rise planning meetings, and
this area is actually not really documented
correctly now that I see this. I mean, this tells
sort of a different story than what we're seeing on
Our Coast Our Future, the website where you can go
through all the mapping and look at the sea level
rise projections.
You know, it's a complicated situation; and,
you know, I think at this point I would want to
evaluate more information.
And I'd be really interested to see what the
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long -term plan looked like. I know with the JPA,
when I read it, it feels so outdated. You know,
it's so ancient. And it hardly seems relevant to
the current situation. I know I've asked our
counsel in the past wouldn't it make sense to just
toss this thing in the garbage and, like, start with
a new agreement of some sort because it just doesn't
seem relevant today. It talks about things like a
master plan, and no one can find the master plan. I
mean, it's just kind of absurd.
So it's really tough to grapple with this,
and, you know, figure out what to do about it. I
guess if I better understood our future engagement,
you know, if it -- if we're looking at a 10 -year end
date to the -- or possibly earlier, depending on,
you know, I think what the City would want to do,
and I don't know what will happen with development
plans. But I guess if we had a more clear future
picture of what was going to happen there, it would
be easier to assess what would make sense as a
partnership.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Sure.
MS. BRENNAN: And I think that's one of the
areas where this is just almost an impossible task
to sort out. So I guess -- you know, I could spend
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hours, like, asking questions that are not on the
agenda so I'm not going to do that about, you know,
the EIR from -- what was it? 2011 or something?
And, you know, what the plans for development in the
area are. Is the landfill area ever going to be
developed? If not, you know, would the City want
the District to continue managing the marina long
term. You know, there are just so many questions.
So is there -- is there some clarity to any
of that that you guys have arrived at that maybe
we're not aware of? Some updates or something that
might help us better understand the relationship or
the potential future relationship.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Long term, yeah.
Mike? Are you --
MR. FUTRELL: Well, certainly there's
10 years left on the JPA. And I think from the
City's perspective, we expect the Harbor District to
perform at 100 percent that entire 10 -year period.
So the idea that because the end is in sight, the
Harbor District can somehow ratchet back its
responsibilities, we strongly disagree with that.
You have an obligation to operate until that very
last day at 100 percent capacity. And if that means
continuing to maintain, continuing to invest, that
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is part of the arrangement. Because you will
continue to receive a revenue from that site until
that happens as well.
As to the future, I do agree with you that
it is murky; but there are a few factors out there
in play. As you know, there is a previously
approved development agreement with -- a combination
called Oyster Point Ventures made up of Shorenstein
Company and a firm called SKS. They are still
around. That is still alive. As I appreciate the
Shorenstein perspective, it has not moved forward
under their banner because they have not found a
tenant to occupy Phase 1, which is a 500,000 square
foot biotech building.
MS. BRENNAN: Would that be on the landfill
or just nearby?
MR. FUTRELL: Partially. No, it actually
would take part of the landfill --
MS. BRENNAN: Okay.
MR. FUTRELL: -- so, from our side, we
celebrate that as an ecological success because the
agreement requires them to dig up the landfill and
replace it with clean fill. And that is the kind of
good outcome you hope for landfills, that they are,
in fact, cleaned up and turned into useful land.
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And so that's part of it. And I suspect -- well, I
believe that drives up the cost of it; and maybe
that plays into why it hasn't actually happened.
But they are still actively out there; and should a
deal come forward that works for Shorenstein, that
would happen.
Now, that has a deadline as well. 2019.
They have a one -year cure period. So even if they
were unable to move forward by some date I don't
recall in 2019, they have a year to cure that. So,
realistically, 2020. And then that deal is dead.
But if you take that possibility off the table --
well, let me go back.
If that happens and they move forward and
they break ground, the agreements between the City
and the Harbor District and Shorenstein call for a
land swap. At which time the City would regain the
rights over the land portion of Oyster Point Marina
and Park; and then the Harbor District would, of
course, continue to operate the marina portion of
that. So that's one aspect that would change --
MR. McGRATH: Did that extend all the way
down to the east end?
MR. FUTRELL: Jason, correct me. I believe
it's all the land portion. They'd swap that.
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MR. McGRATH: Reservation for?
It's an operation --
MR. ROSENBERG: Wait. I'm sorry. What is
"it "? What is the question?
MR. FUTRELL: If the land swap were to occur
with Shorenstein, and we just refer to it as the
land side --
MR. ROSENBERG: It doesn't ao all the wav to
the -- all the way to the east. It does not.
MR. McGRATH: Does not.
MR. FUTRELL: Okay. So I don't know if the
agreement has a map or if we --
MR. McGRATH: And the agreement is detailed
by parcel numbers or by A, B, C, D, E; and then
there's one that --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: There was a portion that was
outside of that.
MR. FUTRELL: So that is certainly one
possibility, but know that that's been hanging
around for five years.
MR. McGRATH: Uh -huh.
MR. FUTRELL: So if that does not move
forward, then we are where we are, in partnership
with the Harbor District for another 10 years. And
I -- at least I've heard, I think others have heard
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as well, Commissioner Brennan, you've raised the
issue of a early termination of the JPA. And that
may be considered under agenda item 2 for today.
So our options moving forward, for clarity,
one, the status quo, we continue to work together
for the next 10 years as we have. Hopefully better.
Option 2, Shorenstein somehow finds a deal
that works for them and they execute the development
agreement and break ground, and that creates this
land swap. Which we still have a working
relationship with the JPA with the Harbor District,
it just changes automatically the scope of that.
Option 3 may be some discussion of
alteration or termination of the JPA earlier than
10 years. I'm sure others have come up with other
options. That's all I've got.
MS. BRENNAN: I have a question with regard
to the land swap deal, which because I have only
been on this board for less than four years, I don't
really know the history of that project. I've seen
a few drawings in some of the marketing material on
the Shorenstein and SKS websites over the years, and
it looks like a terrific project. What -- is there
any projected cost for the landfill cleanup? Was
that ever investigated so that their investors have
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a sense of it?
I'm just curious.
MR. FUTRELL: I would have to believe
they've done their due diligence. I'm not privy to
their internal financials --
MS. BRENNAN: Okay. So we don't know.
And the City has never done a study to see
what it would cost to clean up the landfill?
MR. FUTRELL: Well, by clean up, if you mean
open the cap, dig it out, replace with clean fill, I
don't think we have done that --
MR. McMINN: No.
MR. FUTRELL: -- no.
MS. BRENNAN: And bringing it up to, like,
Title 27 standards, that hasn't been investigated by
the City?
MR. FUTRELL: I don't know enough about that
to comment.
MR. ROSENBERG: It was -- this plan predates
Title 27 so it doesn't have to be all the way up to
the code.
MS. BRENNAN: Unless some development's
done.
MR. ROSENBERG: Right. So where the
development would occur, it would come up to
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standards; but it doesn't cause the east side.
MS. BRENNAN: The whole other area.
MR. ROSENBERG: Yeah. Exactly.
MS. BRENNAN: Okay. Gotcha.
MR. McGRATH: I would like to address this
particular graphic that you raised, Commissioner
Brennan. And this is one that Brian and I chatted
about, actually, when this first appeared because I
had questions about this. And I do think it's a
little misleading, especially if you look on the
south side of this, which is showing inundation, and
yet we know the revetment is steeper there and the
land elevation considerably higher.
And it turns out that, in fact, this shows
not so much the inundation of what we might
generally perceive of as the land area of the park,
but rather the difference between when they shot an
aerial topo and the sea level tide at that point and
what it would be at a king tide.
MR. McMINN: That is correct. So the inland
extent of what's showing for inundation, that
reflects what -- how far the water would reach
inland during an 8 foot king tide. And this was
flown at a lower tide. And what is not shown is the
mean high -water marker along the shore. So you see
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of that is subject to regular tidal action.
MR. MCGRATH: Right. So, for example, on
the south side of the graphic, the inland side of
the blue is the high -water mark at king tide, the
outer line of the blue is not necessarily ever
beyond that.
MR. McMINN: That would have been where the
water was when it was flown.
MR. McGRATH: Right.
MS. BRENNAN: It seems like it actually
isn't quite picking up all of the flooding in the
parking lot near the traffic circle. The parking
lot -- well, the parking lot near Drake's Marine.
It doesn't indicate the full extent of the flooding,
which actually comes in quite a bit further than
what is being indicated here. So it just doesn't
look totally accurate to me.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So that major entry point
where the boat ramp is?
MS. BRENNAN: So there's the boat -- yeah,
the boat launch ramp.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Right.
MS. BRENNAN: This looks fairly accurate
here; but then this area, this actually comes up in
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MAYOR ADDIEGO: Uh -huh. It maybe gets close
to joining this area.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. So that's not getting
picked up. And then this area back here is where
the parking lot has actually been closed and is
blockaded off because of the damage to the asphalt
from the flooding.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: That's in here?
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. The area -- that little
blue spot right there is, like, a closed area of the
parking lot. But where you see that bathroom, which
is that little building right there --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Here. Yeah.
MS. BRENNAN: -- the flooding actually comes
up into this area, and then there's another flood
spot that's up here. It's this weird little area
that floods really regularly. So you could actually
pick up that flooding on a Google map. If you look
at the Google aerial maps, you'll see the flooding
there in the Google maps.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: That's almost in the middle
of the entire peninsula.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. And it's much higher
ground. So it's just something weird going on in
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don't have the flaps in place and maybe --
MR. McGRATH: Exactly correct.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: You think that's what it is?
MS. BRENNAN: So it might be backing up in
there?
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MR. McGRATH: Yeah.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yes.
MS. BRENNAN: Okay.
I couldn't figure it
MAYOR ADDIEGO: That would be a relatively
easy fix.
That's part of the 285 -?
MR. McMINN: That's showing, you know, from
there. But the actual plan, the fix, they actually
looked at the areas from the topographic survey that
could potentially pond water. And they actually
went out there during a sub king tide to verify that
those areas got picked up. So you'll see in the
blue and green there those areas that have been
addressed in the long -term and the short -term plan
for it.
MS. BRENNAN: Page 13?
MR. McMINN: That's starting at 13, and then
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MS. BRENNAN: Yeah, I can see that. I think
they did pick up that spot on page 13 that's in that
upper parking lot.
MR. McMINN: Yes.
MR. McGRATH: This is the --
MS. BRENNAN: Oh, that's the close -up?
MR. McGRATH: This is this --
MS. BRENNAN: Okay.
MS. McGRATH: -- and this combined. It's
just larger scale.
MS. BRENNAN: It would be right there.
Yeah, you see it when you drive by.
So can you -- since you have a draft of the
long - term, can you just give us a little prior on
what that plan might include?
MR. McMINN: They've given us a copy of a
plan that was submitted by Hayward, and the general
gist of it was it laid out a planning process for
the planning to address sea level rise and the steps
that would be taken for that. It didn't get into
the specifics of plan level -- project plan level
documents or specific time lines. It talked about
forming a JPA, sources of funding, environmental
permitting, things that would have to be addressed
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to get there. And it looked like it was similar to
the efforts that were taking place here in San Mateo
County on the planning front.
MS. BRENNAN: So it was an example from
another place?
MR. McMINN: Yes. It was from Hayward. And
we're using that to create an outline to put in
front of the Regional Board.
MS. BRENNAN: Okay. So at what point or
who -- would it be the same engineering firm that
would be coming up with the plan -- I'm assuming
it's probably going to be fill that's recommended.
Would that be coming --
MR. McMINN: That's coming from Tetra Tech.
They're working on it.
MS. BRENNAN: Tetra Tech. Okay.
Thank you.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Well, I mean, certainly the
long range -- long -term protection is the big issue;
and, you know, how we put money into the Oyster
Point over the next 10 years. But can we pivot back
to the short -term?
We have a pretty modest fix that would get
us, you know, in compliance. And I know that -- I
understand the position that if you were solely to
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look at it as a tenant - landlord position; but I
think that there certainly are other documents that
have come to light where it seemed that there was
some intent to address some of the deficiencies out
there. By maybe past commissions or past staff
certainly. Is there any room to negotiate a shared
arrangement on the immediate --
MS. BRENNAN: Well, I mean, I would think
that the next step would be to review those
documents so that we could all get on the same page.
Because I haven't seen them. I actually -- just to
back up a little bit, I did ask our management to
provide me -- and I was hoping the whole board --
with the documents that were procured in the PRA
request. But I knew that there were a lot of them
and I didn't want to, you know, try to rush the
staff because I think their effort was to get you
what you -- you know, what the City asked for. But
I did put in a request to see the documents, and I
haven't been provided with the documents yet --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay.
MS. BRENNAN: -- so I haven't seen any of
that stuff. So I feel I'm not really working with a
full deck of information at this point.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay.
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MS. BRENNAN: I mean, I have reviewed the
JPA, obviously, and this report that I brought today
and some other things. And I think that the one
thing that comes up for me is in recognizing how
significant this subsidence issue could be over
time, I wouldn't want to see the Harbor District
take on liability for the landfill since we
didn't -- we didn't build or construct the landfill;
we weren't involved -- you know, we were not
affiliated with the City at that time. And
according to everything I've read, including the
judgment from the judge in San Francisco back in the
'70s, it's -- you know, this is the landfill the
City built.
And you're not alone. I mean, there are 38
landfills that ring the bay. So it's not -- I don't
want to sound like I'm blaming anybody for the
landfill; I mean, it's just something that we have
in the Bay Area. We have landfills. And a lot of
them are around the bay. So it's a reality for a
number of different agencies. But our little agency
is, you know, strugglinq. And I think we're finally
moving in a positive direction with our new general
manager. And, you know, I think we have to be
careful about what we take on financially; and I
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just can't fathom how we would, you know, want to,
like, start taking responsibility for landfills
owned by other agencies.
But I also, you know, want to maintain a
good relationship with the City and work, you know,
as collaboratively as possible. So I guess at this
point I feel like we know you guys have some
information you think is relevant and, you know,
noteworthy; and we need to look at it --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Sure.
MS. BRENNAN: -- and, you know, talk to our
counsel about, you know, what he thinks about it;
and get back you know, get back and have another
meeting; and I guess go from there.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So you wouldn't be averse to
allowing us to enter the property to do the fix?
MS. BRENNAN: To enter the property to fix
it?
MAYOR ADDIEGO: What is our time frame? By
May we have to have the long -term plan submitted?
MR. McMINN: Yes.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So when is the first fix for
the short -term?
MR. McMINN: Short -term plan has an
implementation 25 weeks. So basically we need to
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get it done before the next winter.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: In October we have to be
done?
MR. McMINN: The timeline starts once the
Regional Board has accepted so --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay.
MR. McMINN: That date was March 21st.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: March 21st. We have 25
weeks.
MR. McMINN: That's 25 weeks.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: And if we were to start
today, what kind of a project is this as far as time
frame? Is it a 6 week project? Less? More?
MR. McMINN: By the time -- we got 7 weeks
in there to prepare plans and approvals, a 12 -week
bidding process period in there; and then the
construction of it, actually, is, like, 6 weeks. So
I think it's a fairly conservative estimate.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So we have 7 weeks for
plans?
MR. McMINN: Yes.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: And then 12 weeks for what?
MR. McMINN: The bidding process. Public
bidding since it's a public project.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: And 7 weeks -- or what was
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MR. McMINN: Six weeks.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Six to complete.
MR. McMINN: Yes.
MS. NORMANDY: Brian, do you have an
itemized summary of the 285 -?
MR. MCMINN: It was broken out by grading
repairs.
MS. NORMANDY: But do you have a copy for
the committee?
MR. McMINN: I don't have a copy. I have --
MS. NORMANDY: Could we make copies?
Because I think it would be helpful, if
we're talking with the Harbor Commission as well as
their management staff, and we're talking dollars
and nobody here -- I mean, we've heard of this, but
you don't have a copy. I think it would be
beneficial.
MS. BRENNAN: That's a great idea.
MR. McMINN: I can get copies for people.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Mayor, can I say something?
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Sure.
MR. MILLER: I think it's great that you're
here at the table, but just remind everybody that at
least this committee is not empowered to make any
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decisions. I'm just reminding you --
MS. NORMANDY: No, I didn't say make a
decision.
MR. MILLER: No, no, I --
MS. NORMANDY: As far as providing -- when
Mr. McGrath requested itemized and
Commissioner Brennan is saying there's no decision
to be made, but it would be useful to have this
information. So I'm requesting for my staff to make
a copy.
MR. MILLER: I agree 100 percent. I
apologize if I insinuated I was disagreeing with
you. In fact, I'm supporting you because I'm just
reading in the JPA. It says, "The purpose of this
liaison group is not to be an advisory, nor is it to
present recommendations to either party. It's
constituted solely as a means for direct
communication and the exchange of ideas and reports
of plans between the District and the City."
So I think it's a fabulous idea to share as
much as possible the information that each committee
can bring back to their full governing boards.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So back to the time frame.
So, as I was jotting down the 7, 12, and 6, if my
math is correct, I think I came up with 25 weeks.
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So my concern is are we beginning on the plans? Are
we moving in that direction?
MR. McMINN: No. We've been working on the
long -term plans first, and then we'll get those out.
But they have not commenced on it. Other than
they've got the plans submitted in the short -term
plan. So the areas have already been marked out,
it's just a matter of coming up with the
specifications.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So is that 7 weeks to do the
specs? I mean, are we -- are we partway into that
initial 7 weeks? I'm just worried that --
MR. McMINN: Yes, we are.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: We're not out of time?
MR. McMINN: No, we're not out of time.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay. So we are moving
along.
MR. McMINN: And, then, as I said, this is a
very conservative time schedule to get this work
done.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay.
MR. McMINN: It's a fairly simple bid
package to put together.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay. All right. I'm just
concerned. I mean if -- we certainly do need to
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know, you know, where we stand as a city. The
Harbor needs to see that. I understand their
position, you know, as they see the world. And if
there's something out there that speaks to, you
know, more involvement, then we all need to see
that.
And how soon might we get that?
MR. ROSENBERG: As soon as possible. About
a week.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay. That's fair. A lot
of time has run by since we came into this room.
All right. I guess that's Item 3 for today.
MS. BRENNAN: Is that it?
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yeah, that's Item 3.
Item 4. Do you want to bring that up.
CITY CLERK: Discussion regarding Joint
Powers Authority Agreement between the San Mateo
County Harbor District and the City of South
San Francisco.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: And so this -- this is, as
Mike alluded to, at some point we had the impression
at least one member of the liaison committee was
interested in not waiting until 2026. And is that
still something that's
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MAYOR ADDIEGO: -- bandied about?
MS. BRENNAN: I think what you're
referencing is at.the LAFCo hearing I gave -- I made
some comments -- or I guess it was at a LAFCo
meeting. Anyway, I commented that I wasn't taking a
position on whether or not there should be an early
termination.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay.
MS. BRENNAN: But what I suggested in my
comments, which I have in writing so I know exactly
what I said, was that it might be something that
would be worth considering and having some
discussion about. But I haven't developed a
position on that personally just to be clear.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Sure.
MS. BRENNAN: But I did notice that in one
of the City's meetings there was quite a bit of
discussion about a -- what sounded like a very keen
interest in early termination; however, that may
have changed. That was several months ago.
So I got the impression that there were --
there was an interest on the part of the City and
potentially considering early termination; and I
also got the gist that the staff was not as keen on
that just because there is a financial benefit to
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having the Harbor District managing the marina. So
maybe not such a rush from the staff's perspective.
And I can understand that position. Yeah.
But, I mean, you know, I think if the City's
interested in talking about it, you know, I would
certainly like to know where -- where everyone
stands, you know, if you want to share that.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: I don't think -- I mean,
there was some conversation about looking to
accelerate or end the JPA early; but it was also the
discussion was there are, you know, property tax
dollars that are utilized for a marina that doesn't
quite cover its, you know, annual costs. And if the
Commission was willing to, you know, negotiate all
or a portion of what it previously had been utilized
to make this marina viable, or if it was just the
intent to walk away from the JPA.
MS. BRENNAN: I don't think anybody is -- I
know I haven't given it a whole lot of thought.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay.
MS. BRENNAN: I think that I will say
although I did hear what the city manager said
earlier, I do think because the District doesn't own
the land and because we only have 10 years left on
that -- so it's not like we have a long -term
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investment at this point, I do think that it would
make sense to look at cost sharing on some of the
projects that could be done to make it a nicer
facility. And if there was an interest in upgrading
the facility for a potential transition to some
gorgeous development that Shorenstein -SKS might come
up with or some other developer if they don't --
don't end up doing their project, you know, if there
was an interest on the part of the City's in really
upgrading the site, I could clearly see that would
be a benefit for the - you know, for the citizens
of South City. You know, I would hope that the
District would not stand in the way of progress and
that we could work something out so that those
improvements could happen; but I think that it would
be important to share the costs. Because if the
facilities were going to be transitioning over to
the ownership of the City, then the City would
really be benefitting from that longer -term
investment.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Sure. If it had a 40 -year
life, then most of it would be.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. But I think there could
be some fair, amicable way of working those things
out. I think that we've seen -- and I hear this
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from people, that they really appreciate the quality
of the upgraded docks. So I'm hearing that from a
lot of people. In fact, I ran into some of the
dragon boat team; and one of the people that's a
member of the team has a 45 foot boat at Oyster
Point. And he was asking when the -- you know, when
there were going to be more new docks. So I know
it's really a major upgrade when you put those in.
And one of the things our harbormaster has
explained to us is that the smaller slips are
harming our ability to have full occupancy. And
occupancy has been a challenge. But where we have
larger slips with the new docks we're able to fill
those up, and it really has made a difference. So I
think that the future of Oyster Point would
certainly include nicer docks and -- or newer docks
and larger slips. And I think that would help fill
the facility and be a benefit to the users. So and
then, you know, there's a lot of opportunity there
for potentially other parks facilities too. And,
you know, it could be a really -- it's got a
beautiful view. I mean, it could be --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Could be a draw.
MS. BRENNAN: And it's not just the bay
view, it's also the mountain too. It's just a
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really nice spot with the Bay Trail there, I think
that with all the new development in the area people
are going to want to use that location more and more
for recreation.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: A lot of enviable
components.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah, definitely. And the Bay
Trail is fabulous. And it's definitely feeling the
brunt of some of the flooding, so I would hope that
any long -term plan would look at how to keep the Bay
Trail dry as much as possible so that the runners --
because I've noticed the runners are struggling to
get through when it's flooding. So things like
that, I think, would really be a benefit to the
public. I don't know, I'm just kind of throwing out
my ideas.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: No, I appreciate that.
MS. NORMANDY: Me too.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: That's the spirit that I
came to the table today with, that -- you know, I
was thrilled to see that under the administration of
your new people you were going to become more
focused on the capital improvements and it might
actually include some dock improvements at the
Oyster Point harbor. And you would like at some
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point to be a partner in that.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. And I think the area
that really needs new docks is actually on the east
side of -- of the ferry terminal. And so that area
is not experiencing any flooding problems at all.
So it's like there's really no reason why that can't
be, you know, focused on if there's not an issue on
that side. We did look at the terminal when we were
on our site visit, which I have to say is just a
beautiful facility. I mean, it's just such a nice
design. WATA did a great job. And we were looking
at the fill that was added when they were coming up
with the engineering to connect the terminal to the
land. And so our harbormaster pointed out that -- I
think he said about 6 feet of fill were brought in.
And it was -- it was put in in a way that works.
But at the same time it also buried some of the
infrastructure about, you know, 6 or more feet down.
So I think those are things that need to get
considered in the planning. If we're going to add
fill, you know, at some point -- let's just say
fill's going to be added, that obviously the
electrical and those things are going to need to
come up --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yeah.
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MS. BRENNAN: -- so that it's not going to
be so hard later to fix things if, you know, there's
a broken pipe or whatever. But, you know, it can be
done. And it's unfortunately, I'm sure, going to be
very expensive to add the fill; but once it's done,
it's going to be a much nicer facility so.
MR. MATTUSCH: Besides fill we got to figure
out if we're going to do some type of sea wall or
some type of shoring. Because as long as we dredge,
then that's going to keep sinking out.
But one of the things you mentioned was
about the economics and things not pencilling out
quite as well. I think that now that we've broken
out our enterprise, nonenterprise, we're finding out
that in reality that marina is not doing nearly as
bad as some people postulated in the past.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay.
MR. MATTUSCH: And I think that perhaps
Mr. McGraw or possibly both of us could bring a
presentation in the future that would demonstrate
this with hard facts showing where our revenue
sources are both from the tenant side, the lease
side, and then also the tax base side. We'd find
it's not as bad as some people postulated in the
past.
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The other thing is if we're going to be
working together, the hardest thing we're having to
fill is those 30 foot docks. But why do we have the
30 foot docks? We've got BCDC, we've got Coastal
Commission, we've got people that say we've got to
make this available to the common person; and by
their requirements we're being stifled with these
smaller docks to provide access to, shall we say,
the common man.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: BCDC and Coastal Commission?
MR. MATTUSCH: Coastal Commission.
MS. BRENNAN: I don't think Coastal
Commission has any jurisdiction there at all.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: All right.
MR. MATTUSCH: Coastal Conservancy, was it?
MS. BRENNAN: It's BCDC.
MR. McGRATH: Coastal Commission weighs in
on dock distribution, if you will, on areas within
their jurisdiction. I don't know to be quite
honest --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: BCDC
MR. McGRATH: -- whether BCDC has that --
MR. MATTUSCH: Similar
MS. BRENNAN: BCDC is responsible for --
MR. McGRATH: Understood.
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I don't know if they weigh in on the --
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MR. MATTUSCH: Well, we've had some issue
with the 30 foot docks that were --
MR. McGRATH: -- or the Coastal Commission
does.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: They do.
MS. BRENNAN: I think they do. I know they
weigh in on the live - aboard --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yes.
MR. McGRATH: Yeah, they do.
MS. BRENNAN: How much -- the percentage of
live - aboards.
MR. McGRATH: They do.
MS. BRENNAN: But that's a good question. I
think I've heard the same thing you have, but we
should double -check it and make sure that's actually
accurate. But I know they definitely weigh in on
the live - aboard issue. Which is another concern.
And, unfortunately, I don't think there's anything
anybody can do about that. I mean, BCDC has just
been --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Harsh.
MS. BRENNAN: I've called them a number of
times and asked them, is there any way that this can
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be lifted? Or, you know, we could try, like, a test
or -
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Different percentage.
MS. BRENNAN: You know, let's just, like,
test out having a few more. And they're just, like,
And then I learned that there was
actually -- that the District -- there was a lawsuit
with BCDC. I don't know if you know this. But this
was -- I was doing some research, and I came
across -- this was really, I thought, quite
interesting.
Oh, yeah. It's here.
So let me see what I've got. San Mateo
County Harbor District versus People BCDC,
Defendant. It says (Reading): Based on the facts
included in the court opinion, San Mateo County
Harbor District versus BCDC, it appears that the
Division of Boating and Waterways and BCDC may have
a -- oh, wait. This is just about the master plan.
I checked to see if they have a master plan.
They don't. They don't have anything more than
we've been able to find. But the facts of the court
opinion were (Reading): In 1977 the City of South
San Francisco owned a small boat marina at Oyster
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Point, which lies both within the City's limits and
the District's territory. In October 1977 the City
and the District jointly agreed to repair and /or
replace the existing Oyster Point marina facility
and expand them pursuant to a 1975 proposed master
plan agreement between the City and the State of
California Department of Navigation Ocean
Development. The 1975 proposed master plan included
leachate control measures, preparation of the
project site for Marina Park landscaping and other
auxiliary shoreside support facilities. The
District and the City also agreed to permit the
District to rehabilitate, manage, and maintain and
operate the existing Oyster Point Marina.
Let me get to the point.
But it -- where is it? Let's see.
Oh. This side.
No.
The point was this court case came up; and
that information I quoted from it, because the
Harbor District decided to sue BCDC to get the
live- aboard number expanded, and we lost. And so
that's where I was researching our relationship with
the JPA and came across that.
And so it was at that point, when I saw that
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we lost a lawsuit over it, that I realized no amount
of my calling BCDC was going to make a difference.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: That was in the '70s? That
MS. BRENNAN: No. Actually, that wasn't
that long ago. It was -- well, it wasn't with our
current counsel, but the counsel before. So it was
within the last -- yeah. It was within the last, I
would say, probably 15 years.
MR. MILLER: May I ask what you're reading
MS. BRENNAN: A report that I produced. I
can give you a copy of it.
MR. MATTUSCH: Back to what I was saying
about the slips. We've got too many 30 foot slips
we can't fill, we've got a wait list for the
40 -plus.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Right.
MR. MATTUSCH: It's my -- I've been led to
believe we can't do anything with the 30 foot
because they've been dictated by number to give
access.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yeah.
MR. MATTUSCH: And if we somehow work
together and say, well, this is a better number of
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30 foot slips and we're able to convert something,
it's going to be more lucrative for all of us.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Right. Right. That's where
the demand is.
At the next BCDC -- I'm an appointee to the
Commission so --
MS. BRENNAN: I remember that.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: -- I'll ask off line to find
out if they are dictating the configuration or
sizing of slips.
MS. BRENNAN: That would be great.
MR. FUTRELL: Mind if I gave a little
context just of some facts?
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Please.
He gets nervous when I just chat.
MR. FUTRELL: City staff was asked to
present a study session to our city council in the
wake of the July 2015 LAFCo recommendation that the
Harbor District be dissolved. City staff studied
that and what would that actually mean. Came
forward with three options, looking for direction
from City Council what do you want city staff to do.
One option is just continue as things are. One
option would be to pursue the LAFCo recommendation
and work with County towards dissolution of the
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Harbor District. And then there was sort of a
' middle option, which was sit down with the Harbor
District and see if there's some voluntary amicable
termination. Which one of those three, City
Council, do you want staff to work on?
Through that discussion, which I've -- is
public record, and I know many of you have listened
to that. Counsel gave direction they did not want
to at that time seek dissolution. Do not pursue the
LAFCo approach. But nor were they willing, in the
wake of what was contained in that report and the
Grand Jury report, to just continue as is. So staff
was directed to consider and create some venue,
perhaps this, where a discussion of an amicable
termination earlier than the 10 years might be
explored. In staff's presentation we theoretically
posed three potential obstacles to termination from
the City's perspective. One of which was the debt
owed by the Harbor District. But you have recently
paid that off. Congratulations.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Thank you.
MR. FUTRELL: That is no longer an issue.
However, one issue which remains, that I
think is being addressed, in late 2014 the Harbor
District commissioned an engineering study of the
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capital needs at Oyster Point. And that report
documented deferred maintenance in the amount of
$5.7 million. That was -- that remains an issue.
I certainly understand the conversation that
if either side would desire new improvements that
might go past the 10 years, that that might be
worthy of discussion. In my mind, at least from
staff's perspective, the 5.7 million in deferred
maintenance, in past maintenance, is a separate
issue. That would be something that, frankly,
should have been happening all along. So that was
one of the obstacles presented to the Council and is
still there.
The third, and it's been alluded to, is the
financial. And, certainly, you have correctly
pointed out, we tried to decipher the financials
under the old system. It's very difficult to do.
And so I look forward to a presentation of being
schooled up on what the reality is out there. If
it's rosier, that's better for all of us.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yeah.
MR. FUTRELL: So I just wanted to put that
there, that that's how staff came to get involved.
Council wanted to understand the LAFCo and grand
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do next. And from staff's perspective they chose
the middle road, which was sit down with the Harbor
District and see if there is some new partnership
that can be forged.
I'm not sure if that's possible or not, but
here we are.
MR. McGRATH: So if I could sort of jump in
and address just a couple of those issues from --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Sure.
MR. McGRATH: -- the staff's perspective as
well. And the debt certainly is -- I'm very pleased
to be able to recommend to the Commission that we
payoff that debt. It was going to be paid off by
2019 anyway. We managed to pay it off early. And
what that did was that discharged our obligations
related to $13.5 million of investment in Oyster
Point the District has made. That's not an
insignificant sum.
Capital needs, as you and I talked, Mike, I
know that the question has floated around about our
future relationship; but as we put together a
five -year CIP, as staff, I assumed the continuation
of the JPA through its ten -year term. Well, my
staff, of course, was very clear however we address
those capital needs going forward, that those were
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identifying the projects, putting numbers to them,
and were not reflective of grants, shares of costs,
any other thing that may affect those expenditures.
And, then, to the third point, the
financial, yes, we have not in the past been
separating out the enterprise and public revenues
and expenses in that manner anywhere in the
District. We've done that for the first time this
year in our preliminary budget, which the Commission
adopted last week; and it's more art than science
when it comes to determining how the share of costs
of a box of pencils is distributed; but we have
started that process, we know it will be refined
over the course of years forward. And we're happy
we are on the agenda for the May 18th LAFCo hearing
meeting, where we will be presenting an update on
our progress since that LAFCo report was issued.
Of course, we'd love to have robust
attendance at that so that we can do a little
bragging about the progress that we've made.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Good.
Okay. So I've been a little bit remiss that
we have a member of the public that would like to
speak on this item.
We have a little break here, Mr.! Ullom, so
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if you'd like to lean into the microphone so...
MR. ULLOM: Okay. Thanks for having me here
and letting me just have my say.
The way you're characterizing the meeting
where discussions were put forth about breaking up
the Harbor District, the words you guys used were
divorce, amicable; and it was decided that the staff
was to pursue breaking up with you guys in a manner
that might preserve their $1.7 million subsidy.
There was no discussion about creating a new
agreement.
Later on they went on to say they were going
to pursue a dual track. Dual track, they're talking
with the County supervisors and that they've already
got two of those supervisors on board to dissolve
the Harbor District. So you need to know what your
partner is up to. And your partner has every
legitimate right to protect their interests and get
what they can get out of this arrangement.
But the JPA is a rather simple document.
Start -- let me go backwards with it. It specifies
the terms of divorce so to speak. And there is no
discussion about maintaining the lifestyle that
they've become used to by having you subsidize their
operation. It talks what's theirs is theirs and
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what's yours is yours, and you go your separate way.
It specified how you deal with employees, it
specified how you deal with benefits. It's pretty
much all on page 18 and it's in about one fairly
medium - sized paragraph. And that is the terms of
dissolution. That's what you've agreed to. You can
change that, of course; you can come to a special
deal. But that is what it says.
And, then, if you look at your discussion
about who's responsible to fix the parking lot, for
example. If you look in the JPA, they kind of
address it, maybe totally address it. They talk
about the leachate problems on page 16 of the
original agreement. And it says in there that it's
agreed by the City that if there's any problems
maintaining the court orders that they've been
subjected to to prevent the leachate discharge, that
it's totally on them. That it was agreed to up
front.
Now, I can probably say that a good lawyer
could argue that the cap and the parking lot are not
part of that agreement; but I would say that the cap
and the parking lot are fundamental in dealing with
the leachate problems because it's supposed to keep
water from leaching into the toxic waste that's
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underneath it. So it's already spelled out whose
responsibility it is to fix that problem.
If you look at the overall agreement -- I've
heard someone mention a couple times that there's
like a landlord- tenant relationship here. That is
not close to what the relationship that is
contemplated in this agreement. The agreement is
more like you're the property owner and they're the
property management company. And I've had plenty of
workings with property owners and property
management companies. And I tell you property
management companies do not take their revenue and
plow it into the properties of the properties they
manage for other people. They take the revenue from
those properties, and they manage it wisely; they
try to keep the property up to code; and they take a
cut for themselves; and they send the profit to the
property owner.
This agreement contemplates that the
development was going to occur a long time ago and
that everybody was going to make money off the
leases that were going to result from that. That
the Harbor District was only supposed to spend money
that carne from operations out there and loans that
were granted out there. That's all that has ever
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been agreed to. There is nothing in there that says
you're supposed to subsidize their operation. I
know there's been some discussion about the
difference between enterprise and the other kind of
revenue --
MR. McGRATH: Public.
MR. ULLOM: Public. Well, that's true. But
the fundamental truth of the matter is their staff
did a really long and detailed study and came to the
conclusion that if they end this relationship, that
they would have to come up with $1.7 million per
year to maintain what they just have. They're not
talking about the delayed maintenance or anything
like that.
And as far as the delayed maintenance
occurred or the deferred capital rests on that, it's
totally on the property owner to come up with the
capital to invest and maintain the property owner's
property. It is not the role of the management
company to come up with that money.
I hope you'll address that because that's
all very easily documented, it's in your JPA. And
if you'd like to hear what happened at the meeting
and check my characterization of it, I can bring it
up right now in one minute, all the key statements
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MAYOR ADDIEGO: Thank you, Mr. Ullom.
You're on the record so.
I certainly -- the point I do agree with is
it's obvious that originally there was a hoped -for
outcome that there would be monies to be shared, and
it didn't quite happen.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah.
And we are where we are now. So the one
thing that came up during the site visit -- I keep
coming back to that because we had never done that
before; but we learned about some very basic things
that are happening at the site which are
collaborative. Which I don't think the
commissioners were aware of before.
So Jim Merlo, our harbormaster, filled us in
on the relationship that he has working with City
staff, City employees, to do things like fix lights
in the parking lot that are too high for us to
reach. And, you know, your lift truck comes through
and helps with that. And various areas of
collaboration between the City and the District.
And I'm kind of a nuts - and -bolts process person so I
thought that was interesting. And I thought it
might be a good idea to come up with an assessment
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of the different areas where the City and -- the
City's doing certain things to maintain the site
such as I think you're offering -- you know, I see
the fire trucks come through sometimes. And there's
various things we learned about from Jim that the
City is doing to help with the site. You're mowing
one of the areas, and then we mow the rest of the
area. There's a division of labor happening that
I'm not sure everyone's aware of.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: No.
MS. BRENNAN: I wasn't.
So this is very basic stuff; but I thought
that, you know, it might be worthwhile to compile a
couple of lists so that we could all see who's doing
what and what the relationship -- how it's developed
over time.
And, you know, one thing Jim said is I
haven't really -- you know, maybe he's not going
through all the proper channels; but everybody sort
of working together that keeps the place going.
And, you know, it's important to him because, you
know, that's what he does. So I just thought it
might be worthwhile to take a look at that so we can
see where we already are collaborating and maybe
don't even realize it.
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MAYOR ADDIEGO: Right.
MS. BRENNAN: And --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: More of a partnership than
we really envisioned --
MS. BRENNAN: Well, that's what I thought.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: -- sitting here at city
hall.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. He was telling me about
this partnership that I didn't know about, so it was
kind of cool.
MR. McGRATH: In ways that the JPA really
hadn't -- r
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Right.
MR. McGRATH: -- anticipated 50 years ago.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. And so then that kind
of brought up for me that getting back to the idea
that the JPA is really not a useful document. I
mean, I've been reading it, and -- here it is.
And it's frustrating; but, you know, it
could be that it's really time to update it. And
if -- you know, if the City's -- I'm still --
I've heard everything you've said, Mike; but I guess
I'm still not understanding it that clearly. I
think that if we had an updated JPA -- and I don't
know if that would just be a new JPA or an amended
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JPA; but if it -- if it included information that
was actually relevant, we could probably have quite
an interesting process in developing that new
document.
And by developing a new document, we might
end up resolving a lot of these areas of conflict.
I mean, it would be kind of an undertaking to do it,
which would be the down side; but by going through
that process, we might find a way to work together.
And whether it's working together for another 10
years and hitting some goals, or, you know, if the
City decides an early termination is, you know, on
the table and the Commission is -- you know, we're
all on the same page, you know, then maybe that
would sort of come out in the evolution of devising
a new sort of agreement.
So that was just an idea that I'm throwing
out. Because obviously there's stuff that needs to
get done. I mean, we can't just stop progress here.
Things have to get fixed, and you know -- you know,
now we've got these two -- the short -term and the
long -term project, plus we've got other work that
needs to happen. And, you know we're starting to
review the leases in a new way. Which I don't know
if you are aware of. Our new general manager,
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McGraw, has instituted what we call the rent report;
and that's been really enlightening. We just had
that on our last agenda. So what we're doing is
we're looking at a list of all our leased properties
and what the District is receiving in revenue on a
quarterly basis. And so we're seeing a lack of
parity in a number of places, and a lot -- I'm sure
the City probably has a lot of the same issues with
other leases that you have. But, you know, if you
look at the disparity between the different leases,
it's pretty eye opening. And there isn't a whole
lot you can do about that, I mean, because some of
these leases are very old and they -- you know, 25
years and then there was a 25 -year renewal that was
acted on. So, yeah, they're really long leases.
But you can start to see where some of the problems
are in trying to make the current site financially
viable.
And my hope is that a plan could be devised
not just for Oyster Point, obviously for Pillar
Point too, where we are not -- we don't have the
leases out of mind, that we're keeping them in --
you know, keeping them on the front burner and
looking at ways to bring them up to, you know,
market rate and try to resolve some of the problems
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with the leases over time.
So those are things that, you know, we have
started -- you look like you want to say something.
Interrupt me, please.
MR. McGRATH: No.
MR. FUTRELL: I get the same look sometimes.
MR. McGRATH: I just want to say that I
believe that Oyster Point actually is like a classic
example of this division that we talked about
between enterprise and public functions. And we
have an enterprise side of the house at Oyster Point
with the marina and some leases, but we've also got
significant public functions. We've got a trail,
we've got park areas, we've got beach areas that
people use. And that's why it's becoming important
to separate out our public and enterprise revenues.
And so when you do that, and you recognize
that there are significant public functions going on
and there's significant staff time devoted to those
public resources, that it becomes a much more
complex thing that's not easily answered about what
does it cost? What does the whole thing cost?
And, certainly, we could look at -- you
know, divide it down and say, well, Dock 11 is at
100 percent occupancy, but Dock 14 is only at
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30 percent. So, you know, Dock 14 loses money,
Dock 11, and then you just keep expanding it out.
So as we dive into this, we're going to
recognize that this is actually complex. And
bringing the JPA up to date to address this, the JPA
was written before the development was completed.
Now we've got the development and we're coming down
the pike; and, you know, one of the things I think
that has to be discussed, and because I'm an
optimist and I like to fix things and run things, I
mean, I think one of the things that we haven't
talked about is "Does, in fact, in 11 years the City
want to run a marina ?"
MAYOR ADDIEGO: That's what I've been
mulling over while we've been chatting.
MR. McGRATH: So not only early termination
or status quo --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: But the potential for an
extension.
MR. McGRATH: -- and the future going
forward.
MS. BRENNAN: Just to pick up on one thing
you were saying, one of the things the District has
really struggled with and not made the case for
successfully -- and this has been really apparent in
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past LAFCo reviews -- is that we aren't simply an
enterprise district, that we are offering a lot of
public services; and we are doing that at both
locations obviously. I think you're both aware of
that. But we have not been good at explaining that
to people. And so I think on the part of the County
or maybe the board of supervisors or the LAFCo
director, you know, there was an expectation that we
should be generating enough revenue to cover all of
our costs. And the fact that we're essentially
running two parks was kind of lost on people.
When you look at who the users are, I would
say that we have far more users that don't own boats
or aren't members of the Oyster Point Yacht Club or
aren't, you know, necessarily patronizing the
businesses at Pillar Point Harbor but are actually
there to use the trails, whether it's the Bay Trail
or the Coastal Trail, to ride their bikes through to
just check out the boats and just to kind of --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: When the fish run it's
remarkable how many people are on the pier.
MR. MATTUSCH: Yeah.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. It's like a great
source of active and passive recreation. And so I
really hope that -- and I think our new GM is doing
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a great job of this -- really hope that we're able
in the future to do a better job of getting the word
out about -- about the fact that we are essentially
offering these recreation opportunities for people.
And so that's definitely something that I think, you
know, needs to be kept in mind. And I would love to
see us do an even better job at that because I think
that really is where our largest user base is. I
know Tom's probably going to disagree with me; but
given that, you know, he's a captain --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Ah. Yes.
MS. BRENNAN: -- but, you know, it's --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: It's all about the boats.
MR. MATTUSCH: Oh, no. I've seen people
coming through both sides, that are nonmarina users
entirely, come down. It's a beautiful place to
visit. Doesn't matter which site we're talking
about, both harbors are intrinsically lovely.
It sounds to me like we're kind of bracing
right on to No. 5, talking about next steps.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Oh.
MR. MATTUSCH: And I think that a number of
the things we have talked about here, we also have
to figure out are we going to have a hard stop at
5:30, or develop a list, or what's our meeting rules
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MS. NORMANDY:. I need to --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: I think we are going --
MS. NORMANDY: I have --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: She has another
obligation --
MS. NORMANDY: -- school. Yeah.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: -- that she needs to keep
to. And that's only fair because she told us on the
front end.
But I just wanted to compliment you because
there have been some recent events -- I don't
know -- Kite Days and -- that have brought people
from South San Francisco that have never visited in
all these many years because they thought it was
just a place for boats.
MR. MATTUSCH: We got the Baby Boot Camp
going on right now, and we've got a big fishing
derby coming on every year. I can't remember if I
sent this year's to the Council or not. There's a
striper and halibut derby being put on at the harbor
in June. That brings in a lot of people that
wouldn't ordinarily visit this area. I've made
presentations to people, trying to get them to bring
fish - rearing capabilities and fish pens in here.
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And I've suggested not just to the City but to other
people, come in here and do this for us. You get a
lot of publicity. There's a lot of made for TV and
radio things that go on right now. And these people
need a place to operate, and why can't it be here.
MS. BRENNAN: Well, to pick up on that, one
of the things that we've seen really growing at
Pillar Point Harbor is the human - powered vessels
like kayaks and the standup paddle boarding and that
sort of thing, and it's gotten really popular. So
we've got two businesses now that are operating out
of Pillar Point, and they're busy with teaching
kayaking lessons and then renting kayaks. And then,
of course, there's the stand -up paddle board too.
But Oyster Point's a little bit different because
there's so much wind. So that's a little bit
challenging.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: The boards with the sails
are out there.
MS. BRENNAN: Yes. So there are two
businesses operating --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yeah, but, you know what,
they might be freelancers.
MR. McGRATH: No. Now we know of them.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. We had to approve their
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permits. And that was a very well attended meeting.
' But yes. For Oyster Point, because you've got this
incredible wind resource, the kiting and windsurfing
are, you know, areas that could be potentially even
further developed.
And I think kayaking isn't totally out of
the question. We did put in a kayak rack; and,
unfortunately, it's not being used. So it would be
great if there was a way -- while I've got you guys,
I'm just going to mention this -- to work
collaboratively with your parks people to try to
encourage people to take advantage of that. Because
there's storage now. And if you go to Santa Cruz
Harbor, they cannot come up with enough racks for
kayaks. And they rent them out, and it's just --
it's something that would be nice to see people
taking more advantage of.
And I think part of the reason why Oyster
Point doesn't get as much active rec as it could is
because people don't think of it as a place to go.
And so it's just about a little bit of a different
marketing approach to getting the word out. And,
clearly, the District, you know, I'll be the first
to say we could be doing a better job with our
website. And we -- some of the commissioners, I
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don't know how many; but I know for myself I'm very
interested in stepping up our social media. We have
no presence right now. Doing things that would
encourage people to use both facilities in those
ways more frequently.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Get on the water and enjoy
it.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah.
MR. McGRATH: I'm making note that we will,
as staff, reach out more proactively with your
staff --
MR. FUTRELL: Sure.
MR. McGRATH: -- when we have special
events, when we issue commercial activity permits so
that your parks department may have a newsletter we
can send.
MR. FUTRELL: We have a very robust
communications department.
MR. McGRATH: There we go.
MR. FUTRELL: Twitter, Instagram, Facebook.
We have a city newsletter that's --
MR. McGRATH: Great.
MR. FUTRELL: We're happy to promote what's
going on out there.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah, that would be great
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because I think it would really grow. If people see
pictures of somebody taking a lesson on a kite
board, they're going to want to try it.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: I think the kayaking thing
is big all around the bay, and there's -- aren't
they developing actual -- do they call them bay
trails, but they're --
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. Water trails.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Water trails, yeah. So you
get in at Oyster Point and you end up, I don't know,
Coyote Point or beyond; right?
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. And that --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Where you can get in and get
out, and you can make a three -day trip of it or
more. Right?
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. That's something that
we could definitely find ways to promote.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Be part of that.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. That would be good.
MR. McGRATH: So, Tom, you were talking
about the next steps.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Next steps.
MR. McGRATH: So maybe we do need to free
up -- find a time frame --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: I'm sorry. The city clerk
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would like to read the item into the record so that
she's completed her obligation.
CITY CLERK: Discussion of Committee's next
steps and setting of future meeting dates.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: And you were saying?
MR. McGRATH: Oh. I think we've talked
around the JPA a lot.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yes.
MR. McGRATH: What do we do now?
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yeah. Well, I'm intrigued
by the idea of looking at it because it is -- you
know, I think you used the word antiquated. It
certainly is. It seems to be irrelevant today.
Maybe --
MR. FUTRELL: If I could make a suggestion?
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yes.
MR. FUTRELL: There were several action
items that came out, I think very productive. One,
financial presentation. I would love to see what
you've done to improve that, and my staff would love
to be part of that. Second is us collaborating on
this division of labor idea. I think there's some
definite merit for that. I think the lawyers need
to do what they need to do on the first item we
discussed. So maybe just taking the action items
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from today and putting those together and that would
be the focus of the next meeting.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Great.
MR. MILLER: I'm just trying -- what was the
second one you mentioned?
MR. FUTRELL: Well, first is the financial
presentation. Second is the division of labor at
the site. Who actually is doing what between City
staff and Harbor District staff out there. Let's
get a real clear picture of the perhaps informal
collaboration that is taking place.
MR. McGRATH: And recognizing nobody's going
to get into trouble for helping out the other's
entity. These are relationships --
MR. FUTRELL: Right.
MR. McGRATH: -- that have developed --
MS. BRENNAN: Evolved.
MR. McGRATH: -- over many, many years.
MR. MILLER: It doesn't say in the JPA who
is responsible for light bulbs.
MR. McGRATH: It does not, right.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: That's fine. Nobody is
going to get in trouble. Right, Brian?
(Laughter.)
MR. MATTUSCH: I think Brian was -- I think
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Brian was also going to bring us the breakdown of
that long -term and short -term goal.
MS. NORMANDY: I don't think it was the
long -term. It was the short -term, 285.
MR. FUTRELL: The short -term, 285,000.
(Simultaneous overlapping speakers.)
MR. MATTUSCH: The short term?
MS. NORMANDY: Yeah.
MR. FUTRELL: I do think that is a concern
of mine. That the clock is ticking, as you have
pointed out, on getting these repairs made.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Uh -huh.
MR. FUTRELL: At some point that needs to
get going. So I'm not sure what progress the
attorneys can make on some better understanding for
this liaison committee or perhaps the full boards to
discuss the issue of who is going to pay for that in
light of the clock.
MR. MILLER: It may not be a question with a
simple legal answer.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Right. It's going to be
gray.
And I'd like to make a commitment. I'm so
impressed that you've taken the time to become so
intimately acquainted with Oyster Point, that you've
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taken at least that one site visit. And I've seen
you out there before with cameras. But I think I'm
going to impose upon my colleague that she give up a
portion of one of her very valuable Monday day -offs
and maybe we could do a site visit together. And
I'll buy you breakfast.
MS. NORMANDY: Okay. Oh, breakfast.
Finally, like --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: I know, I know.
MR. MATTUSCH: You didn't buy us breakfast.
MS. BRENNAN: Definitely try to, if you can,
set it up so Jim can walk with you.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay.
MR. McGRATH: Yeah.
MS. NORMANDY: I really conclude just to say
thank you to the both of you and your staff for
being here. I think -- I want to say if this really
happened prior to any council discussion, it would
have been probably more a healthier discussion.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Yes.
MS. NORMANDY: But it's more of I think we
both agree there's a lot of hearsay and finger
pointing and who said what, that emotions and
passion gets a little accelerated. But I can tell
you I learned a lot sitting across from, you know,
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you four today; and I appreciate that. More of
enlightening me on some of the stuff that I did not
know of. And I was thinking I was just going to sit
back and thinking what's this meeting going to be
like. But this was really helpful and beneficial.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Good first meeting. I can't
say it any better than that.
MS. BRENNAN: Yeah. Thank you for having
US.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: I'm very thankful for the
spirit in which you've arrived and helped us along.
MS. BRENNAN: Thank you for organizing it.
MR. FUTRELL: Did we want to try and pick a
date now, or circulate that by email?
MS. NORMANDY: I think we can circulate it
by email.
MR. FUTRELL: Okay.
MS. NORMANDY: I think, you know, whatever
works --
MAYOR ADDIEGO: What time frame out are you
looking at? What date to get some of the
data and --
COUNCIL WOMAN NORMANDY: I'd welcome sooner
than later.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So you would like to keep it
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within a month?
MS. NORMANDY: In a month, less than a
month, a few weeks. Just to be able to touch base
again.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: A month?
MR. McGRATH: Month.
MR. FUTRELL: And you and I can collaborate
on some dates and then circulate them, and hopefully
find something that works within that month.
MR. McGRATH: Agreed.
MS. NORMANDY: Thank you.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: Okay. That's a good first
meeting.
MR. MATTUSCH: Excellent.
MAYOR ADDIEGO: So we'll declare the meeting
adjourned.
(The meeting concluded at 5:26 p.m.)
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STATE OF CALIFORNIA)
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I hereby certify that the foregoing meeting
were taken at the time and place herein named, that
the transcript is a true record of the proceedings
as reported and transcribed by me, a duly certified
shorthand reporter in the state of California and a
disinterested person.
I further certify that I am not interested
in the outcome of the said action, nor connected
with nor related to any of the parties in said
action nor to their respective counsel.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have subscribed my name
on May 16, 2016.
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capital 53:23 63 :1
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cloud 11:5 12:8
commitment 6:1 21:8
chronology 4:13
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communication 46:18
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code 34:21 68:16
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communications 82:18
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companies 68 :11,12
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collaboration 70:22
company 30:9 68:9 69:20
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collaborative 70:14
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combination 30:7
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components 53:6
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compounded 18 :17
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close 37:2 68:6
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cut 68:17
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dates 2:20 84:4 89:8
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daunting 27.9
costs 50:13 51:16
considering 49:12,23
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day 11:22 29:24
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council 1:8 19:4
day -offs 87:4
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deal 31:5,11 33:7,18
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consultants 21:18
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decades 18.11,13
couple 64:8 68:4 71:14
contained 62:11
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contemplated 68.7
course 31:20 64:24
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decides 73:12
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cover 50:13 77:9
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continue 13:19 22:10
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deck 41:24
continuing 18:11 29:25
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contribute 21:14
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Defendant 58:16
control 2:12 4:4,14 7:3
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convert 61:1
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definitely 53:7,8 57:18
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elevation 35:13
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example 36:3 40:4 67:11
Drake's 36:14
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employees 67:2 70:18
excellent 22 :23 89:14
drawings 33:21
empowered 45:25
exception 14:9
dredge 55:9
encourage 81:12 82:4
exchange 46:18
drive 20:11 39:13
enforcement 5:3
execute 33:8
driven 20:12
engagement 28:13
executed 6:3
drives 31:2
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executive 5:5
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engineering 5:25 7:23
existing 18:6 59:4,14
dual 66:13
21:14 40:10 54:13
expand 59:5
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duly 90:8
engineers 6:12
expanding 76:2
during 6:10 9:2 35:23
enjoy 82:6
expect 29:18
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enlightening 74:2 88:2
expectation 77:8
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expenses 65:7
early 33:2 49:6,19,23
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experienced 20:10
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easier 28:20
entry 36:19
expires 21:4
easily 69:22 75:21
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explaining 77:5
easy 38.13
envisioned 72:4
explanation 13:13
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especially 26:3 35:10
explore 26:8
economics 55.12
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estimate 6:24 44:18
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facility 19:20 51:4,5
findings 63.25
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fact 30:25 35:14 46 :13
foregoing 90:5
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fine 85:22
forged 64:4
factors 30:5
finger 87:22
forming 39.24
facts 55:21 58:16,23
fire 71:4
forth 10:14 66:5
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fair 48:10 51:24 79:9
fortunately 20:2,6,8
first 3.2.4 11.8 15.6
fairly 36:24 44:18
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forward 30:11 31:5,9,14
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fathom 43:1
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feeling 53:8
freely 15:17
fixed 73:20
feels 28:2
frequency 5:11
flaps 38:3
feet 17:18 18:5
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figure 28:12 38:10 55:7
floated 64:20
frustrating 72.19
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full 36:15 41:24 46:22
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flooding 4:23 14:10
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grants 65.2
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