HomeMy WebLinkAbout1978 Parking Place MinutesREGULAR MEETING
PARKING PLACE COMMISSION
CITY OF SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 12, 1978
.TIME:
PLACE:
CALL TO ORDER:
OLD BUSINESS:
#1 Acquisition of Property
on 300 Block of Miller Ave.
3:00 p.m.
Small conference room, City Hall.
The meeting was called to order at
3:00 p.m. by Chairman Penna.
Present: Chairman Penna, Commissioner
Rosaia, Finance Director
Anderson.
Absent: Commissioner Ruggeri.
Finance Director Anderson explained to
the Commission that he had not received an
answer from the City Attorney regarding
the Commission's role in buying and
selling property as a result of his
involvement in two litigation suits
against the City.
Planning has requested that Public Works
estimate the costs of demolition and
clearing of the lot plus putting gravel
to level the lot. We hope to have an
answer in time for the January Commission
meeting.
The City Engineer is putting together the
Capital Improvement Budget, and the
acquisition of this lot being one of the
items in the budget he must know what the
funding source will be. The Capital
Improvement Fund does not have adequate
funds to provide.for this expenditure
without borrowing from other City funds.
In the long run the Parking Place Commission
would have to fund this acquisition.
A suggestion was made by the Finance Director
to give the City Engineer a figure of $80,000
to cover the purchase of the property, clear
the lot and put some gravel on it - but not
to exceed this figure.
#1 Acquisition of Property
on 300 Block of Miller Ave.-Cont.
#2 Status of Uniform Policy
and Cost for Previti
ADJOURNMENT:'
A discussion followed on possible revenue
alternatives after the building is demol-
ished and the lot cleared. It was pointed
out that on December 14th the City will put
a check in escrow for the closing - then
the lot will belong to the City.
The Commission agreed this item should be
held over until the January meeting when
there should be more information available
from the City Attorney and Public Works
to make a determination on funding.
Finance Director Anderson suggested buying
Mr. Previti some wash-and-wear uniforms
that he could maintain himself. The
rental business is exorbitant when you
have a weekly single pickup and delivery.
A discussion followed on the Commission
purchasing 2 jackets (one lightweight, one
heavyweight), 4 short sleeved shirts, 2 pairs
of pants, 6 shoulder patches for identification
for Mr. Previti to maintain at an approximate
cost of $260-$275.
Commissioner Rosaia made a motion to buy the
uniforms for Mr. Previti. Chairman Penna
seconded the motion and it.was regularly
carried.
A discussion followed on the various reactions
from the merchants concerning the 2-hour
free parking for the Christmas holidays.
The meeting was adjourned at 3:25 p.m. by
Chairman Penna.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
APPROVED:
Chairman
SecretarY
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SPECIAL MEETING
PARKING PLACE COMMISSION
CITY OF SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 28, 1978
TIME:
PLACE:
CALL TO ORDER:
OLD BUSINESS:
#1 Acquisition of Property on
300 block of Miller Avenue
ll:O0 a.m.
Large conference room, City Hall. '
The meeting was called to order at ll:13 a.m.
by Chairman Penna.'
Present:
Chairman Penna, Commissioner
Ruggeri, Commissioner Rosaia,
City Planner Costanzo
City Treasurer Bona!anza,
Finance Director Anderson
The minutes of the October 10th meeting
was approved as written. The minutes of
the cancelled meetings of November 14th
and November 21, 1978 were noted and signed.
The Finance Director stated that following
the Commission's last meeting the City
Council had an Executive Session on whether
an offer would be made on the property. In
that Executive Session, Council did authorize
the City Attorney to make an offer on the
basis of the appraised price, and within
a week it was accepted for $73,500.
A discussion followed amongst the Commission,
Finance Director, City Planner regarding the
accepted price of $73,500, and the source of
funding; Staff's recommendation for the
Parking Place Commission to provide the
funds; whether the Commission woUld approve
funds to acquire the lot plus funds for
closing escrow - approximately $76,000.
In response to Commissioner Ruggeri's
inquiry the Finance Officer stated the
Commission had $124,000 in funds which would
be supplemented within the year by another
$40-50,000.
City Planner Costanzo explained what affect
the Redevelopment Agency would have on the
Parking Place Commission.
A discussion followed to the effect that
the Redevelopment Agency would have the
power to acquire land, and out of the
District's boundries.
#1 Acquisition of Property on
300 block of Miller Avenue-Cont.
There followed a discussion of the
boundaries of the district - end at Walnut,
and the Redevelopment boundaries will
go to Baden and to Spruce. So, lots
that have been outside the district will
then be able to be acquired on Baden and
Spruce by the Redevelopment Agency.
City Treasurer Bonalanza expressed concern
that if the boundaries are changed it
will affect the bond holders - he was
assured by the Commission they would not
change the boundaries.
A discussion followed on the Brentwood~
parking lot, the alternatives available,
i.e. sell it; meter the lot and put it
under the District's jurisdiction, turn
it over to the merchants and let them
maintain it.
City Treasurer Bonalanza informed the
Commission that he remembered a clause
that read, if the Commission went out of
the District any revenue must be given to
the original district until the bonds are
paid off.
In response to Commissioner Rosaia's query
the City Planner related that he expected a
preliminary report in January on the Down-
town Master Plan, called "Problems and
Opportunities Document". This in turn
will call for a meeting to ask for site
problems that the Commission might
perceive, then there will be a preliminary
schematic and based on that a final design
which will incorporate all of the problems
and opportunities that were discussed.
A discussion followed on the City's budget
and the capital improvement fund in the
current year with the Commission and the
Finance Director in reference to money for
the acquisition of the Schumann lot.
Commissioner Ruggeri posed the question,
"Can the Commission dispose of property in
the District?" Finance Director Anderson
said he would get an opinion from the
City Attorney for the next meeting.
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#1 Acquisition of Property on
300 block of Miller Avenue-~Cont.
#2 Grand Avenue Bus Stops
A discussion followed concerning selling new
bonds today on the basis of revenues. The
new bonds and the old bonds would have equal
parity.
In response to Chairman Penna's query as
to what would be done with the Schumann
lot, City Planner Costanzo stated that
the building cannot be rented.
A discussion followed as to the alternatives,
inasmuch as it could not be occupied, such
as clearing the lot and renting it out,
clearing and asphalting the lot and putting
i n meters.
A suggestion was made to make it a free lot
for the merchants and their employees or a
reduced monthly fee could be charged.
City Planner Costanzo said he would get back
to the Commission with a report from
Hugo Stoppoloni on the costs of demolishing
the building and putting a gravel surface
in preparation for all day parking lot.
Finance Director Anderson explained to the
Commission they could put $76-80,000 (which
would cover the acquisition and clearing of
the lot) in the Capital Improvement Budget
with the funding source being the Parking
Place Commission.
After further discussion and their being'~no
obj'ection from the Commission, Chairman
Penna asked that this matter be held over
to the next meeting until the Finance
Director can get a legal opinion as to the
following:
"As a Commission, in our Charter, can
we declare p~operty surplus and go
ahead and dispose and can it be done
for original property and/or property
that was purchased since the Commission
was founded."
The Commission agreed they had a tentative
approval of purchasing the lot.
Finance Director Anderson showed the
response from the City Engineer indicating
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#2 Grand Avenue Bus Stops-Cont.
#3 Qualifications of Commissioners
#4 Handicapped Parking - 218
Cypress Avenue
NEW BUSINESS:
#1 Financial Reports
#2 Status of Uniform Policy and
Cost for Previti
that the lengthened bus stops would reduce
the hazards to motorists and pedestrians
and alleviate congestion.
A discussion followed of the financial loss
of the 4 spaces in the four bus locations:
Linden Ave., SW corner; Linden Ave., NW
corner; Maple Ave. SE corner, Spruce Ave.
SE corner.
Commissioner Ruggeri made the motion to
remove the four meters in order to enlarge
the bus stops. Commissioner Rosaia
seconded the motion.
Roll call vote was as follows: Ayes,
unanimous. Noes, none. Absent, none.
A memo from the City Attorney was shown
to the Commission by the Finance Director.
This stated the requirements were as
follows: residency, qualified elector of
the City and a person whose business
experience and ability reasonably assure
that the affairs of the District will be
administered in the interests of the
District.
The Finance Director presented a request
received from Mr. Julian Aramburn, of J&J
Orthopedics - 218 Cypress Avenue, for one
metered parking space in front of his store
be designated handicapped parking only with
the curb painted blue and a sign to this
effect for his customers.
Chairman Penna said a letter should be
drafted to Mr. Aramburn indicating that
the Commission chose to delay the handling
of this request until after the Downtown
Master Plan had been completed for they
are going to give consideration to requests
of this nature. -
Finance Director Anderson presented two
Budget Reports, one through September 14,
1978 and one through October 12, 1978.
Commissioner Rosaia expressed concern, in
view of the meter collection scandals in
San Francisco that our meter collection
man is not readily identifiable as
belonging to the City. This is causing
various businessmen to be suspicious when
seeing a man in civilian clothes taking
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#2 Status of Uniform Policy and
Cost for Previti
ADJOURNED:
money from the meters.
Finance Director Anderson stated he would inves-
tigate the City's policy and the related
costs for purchase and maintenance and
get back to the Commission.
Chairman Penna adjourned the meeting at
1:10 p.m.
APPROVED
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED
Secretary
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CITY OF SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO
PARKING PLACE COMMISSION
AGENDA FOR REGULAR MEETING'OF DECEMBER 12, 1978
3:00 P.M.
SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM - 400 GRAND AVE.
CALL TO ORDER
II
ROLL CALL
III
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
IV
OLD BUSINESS
1. Acquisition of property on 300
block of Miller Avenue.
2.. Status of unifom policy and
cost for Previti.
V
NEW BUSINESS
CENTRAL REC;ORD~
TI.ME~
PLACE:
CALL TO ORDER:
OLD BUSINESS:
#1 Bagging Meters for the
Christmas Holidays
REGULAR MEETING
PARKING PLACE COMMISSION
CITY OF SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO
TUESDAY, OCTOBER lO, 1978
3:00 p.m. ~
Small Conference Room, City Hall.
The meeting was called to order at 3:07
by Chairman Penna.
Present:
Chairman Penna, Commissioner
Rosaia, Director of Finance
Mr. Anderson
Absent: Commissioner Ruggeri
The minutes of the September 12th meeting
was approved as written.
Mr. Anderson explained that this was
on the agenda because a neighboring
City uses a card inside the meter, over
the time dial, as opposed to using bags
that are ripped off by kids and droop in
rainy weather. The cost of using the
cards is a third or a fourth of the cost
of the bags, which have spoilage problems
in printing. The cost of the bags is
$500 as opposed to $100 for the cards.
Permission was requested of the Commission
to adopt the cards for meter use.
A discussion followed on the particular
wording to be put on the cards which will
be seen from both sides of the meter.
Commissioner Rosaia asked if someone would
be marking the tires so the two hour free
parking would not be abused. Mr. Anderson
replied that A1 would be going around
checking on the cars.
Commissioner Rosaia commented that a good
advantage in using the cards was that they
could be used year after year.
Commissioner Ruggeri arrived at 3:17 p.m.
Mr. Anderson apprised Commissioner Ruggeri
of what had been discussed.
#1 Bagging Meters for the
Christmas Holidays - Continued
#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Mi ll er Avenue
#3 Grand Avenue Bus Stops
#4 Downtown Master Parking Plan
#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue
The Commission agreed to the use of the
cards with the following wordage to be
used as space permitted:
~ Park Free 2 Hours Only
Barking Place Commission
We Appreciate Your Shopping
In South San Francisco
Mr. Anderson adjourned the meeting at
3:30 p.m. to call City Planner Costanzo
for his presentation on this item.
The meeting was reopened at 3:40 p.m.
Chairman Penna ~sked what the requirement
was for a Commissioner to' be appointed.
Must he be a property owner or a merchant?
Mr. Anderson replied that he would consult
the City Attorney for this information.
Mr. Anderson explained that he had written
a memo to the City Engineer On this subject,
however, he had not had a response to date.
A discussion followed on this matter to
acquaint Chairman Penna with the request
from SAMTRANS for wider bus stops on
Linden in front of Piewald Drugs, at the
northwest, then Spruce at the southeast
corner just before the liquorstore.
Mr. Anderson explained that the bus company
wanted 80-85' for their bus stops rather
than the 39-44 feet they now have because of
the problem of blocking traffic. With more
room they could have angle parking. That
is why the memo was written to the City
Engineer to get a recommendation. This
was placed on the agenda to indicate an
answer was due.
Mr. Anderson informed the Commission that
the contract has been entered into with
D'Amico for $5,000 for the Master Plan Study.
We have engaged D'Amico to go ahead with
that. This was the item that was in the
budget and the Commission approved it and
it is in progress.
In response to Chairman Penna's query on
Staff's position on this subject, Mr. Anderson
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#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
explained the following. The property is
either going to be developed into something
intensive and we would be locked out or
we should buy it now.
In the Ma~ter Plan it is probably one of
the locations you would like to have because
it is adjacent to two of your lots. If you
allow them to develop, you cannot buy it and
and it is a desirable lot. Mr. Anderson
further pointed up the~,fact that the
acquisition could tie i'ntO the concept of
the rear entrances from the businesses,
as people do not want to park and walk a
quarter mile. This would be one of those
locations that would be convenient for
shopping.
Commissioner Ruggeri expressed concern over
the parking lot behind Bay View which is
primarily empty, why couldn't this happen
as well with the new acquisition. When
you still don't have a lot on the 400 block
of Grand Avenue, if you spend money for
the acquisition you don't have money if
property opens up on the 400 block of
Grand Avenue.
· Mr. Anderson had heard the suggestion of
taking one line of meters out in the one
lot and turning it into permit parking to
get more usage.
Commissioner Rosaia commented on the revenue
report showing the lots had gone down in
revenue.
Mr. Anderson stated that people complained they
do not shop in an area because there is no
parking.
Chairman Penna stated that people come into
an area to buy merchandise - not to shop for
parking.
Mr. Anderson stated that in the consumer
attitude survey it was indicated that the
parking was inadequate.
Chairman Penna stated there were 7-50 foot
parking lots between Miller and Baden, the
bulk of the parking is already there.
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#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
Mr. Anderson replied that when D'Amico
runs that Master Plan downtown the
Commission should be establishing priorities
If you can get this one for the appraisal,
then thisyear after you have your priorities
you can afford something on Grand Avenue.
You are starting this year with $125,000,
as of June~30, and you will be picking up
money this year - probably another $60,000.
The appraisal is $73,500 for the Schumann
property, then with escrow fees and other
costs, the total would be $75,000. City
Planner Costanzo is asking for a total of
$76,000, that would leave $49,000 and then
you would pick up another $60,000 this year
and at the end of the year $100,000.
A discussion followed on the outlay of cash
and the balance being increased in the
current year. You could also sell more
bonds and and whatever that would be part
of the bonding cost.
City Planner Costanzo arrived at 3:40 p.m.
Chairman Penna said he understood there was
a request in Planning to build on the
Schumann lot.
City Planner Costanzo said no, a few people
came forward, but we indicated that we
didn't know'whether we were going to issue
a permit because there has not been a
final resolution on this problem of the
Commission purchasing this property. As a
result people do not want to buy it and
hold it in light of the fact that they might
go through condemnation. The appraiser says
the property is worth $73,500 and I estimate
we will need some money for legal work and
processing, so I have preliminarily requested
$76,000. I think we will have to go through
condemnation proceedings because Schumann
is asking $96,000, and I think he will
disagree with the appraisal. Then he will get
his own appraisal and he has his attorney
involved already. I would like to see the
City take on a condemnation proceeding that
they can win because of not dealing with an
occupied structure for additional parking.
In the 400 block I think they will have to
go through at least two buildings with
condemnation.
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#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
A discussion followed on the Baroni family,
whether they might be interested in selling
or any other families on the 400 block of
Grand Ave. City Planner Costanzo said
anyone interested in selling should be put
in contact with his department.
City Planner Costanzo said we are going to
be buying two lots in the 300 block, the
Schuman lot and the John Penna, Sr. lot
on Miller. He has talked to the people on
the Master Plan and they concur that in
buying the two lots we can double the
size of the parking lot, because of the way
the park is designed.
City Planner Costanzo went to the blackboard
and outlined the Miller Ave. parking lots
and the property subject to acquisition.
A discussion of the lots followed, concerning
ramps, 90 degree angles, diagonal parking,
etc. The different types of structures for
diagonal and 90 degree plus herringbone
parking and what the different designs
entail.
A discussion followed on the lot next to the
post office, the Lautze Ford lot and the
Lautze lot on the corner of Miller and the
lot on Baden as being available for purchase.
Chairman Penna suggested picking up the
Kornberg lot with the money in the fund
as that would be cheaper than a commercially
zoned lot on Baden then trade or exchange
with maybe a contractor. Then when Schumann
cashes out we can swap lot for lot and the
value is just about the same.
City Planner Costanzo said when you redo
Maple Avenue, when the Police Dept. leaves,
you are not going to need the lot on the
corner of Maple. Costanzo does not say sell it,
but we would consider those two lots for
his two lots, we get him for like value.
We would see a little advantage as it is a
better exposure 'downtown.
Chairman Penna commented we only need one
lot, keep the corner lot and exchange the
seven unit lot on Baden for the same size
.lot on Baden and you have that one taken
and there is money available for the
Schumann lot.
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Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
Costanzo said they were not considering
any lots less than 100 ft., otherwise it's
extremely high, but you can see the
difference. You might have to use
structures with ramps, and by going wider
you can take advantage of the topography.
The lots drop pretty radically on Baden.
Chairman Penna commented that lots on Baden
would be easy to acquire because of non-
occupancy.
City Planner Costanzo said they were
investigating the use of the alley right
behind Chairman Penna and Commissioner Rosaia's
businesses to see if there is a way to obtain
an estimate on the backyards of the houses.
Chairman Penna commented that those were
now being maintained by the owners.
City Planner Costanzo showed where Chairman
Penna's alley lay and the property on both
sides plus the back of the stores. What
we are looking at is all one. parcel, but
it is a complicated system to maintain.
Chairman Penna commented that you would be
taking 40 feet away from people on Baden -
now you are downgrading them.
City Planne~ Costanzo explained that they
were 6-unit lots now. We make it a 5-unit
lot.
Commissioner Ruggeri inquired, you have 40
feet on each side - how wide is the alley?
You have to leave 20 feet for the roadway
on each side.
City Planner Costanzo replied, no 15 feet.
Chairman Penna asked if they were going to
knock out homes through the alley?
City Planner Costanzo .replied you might,
if you do you have to buy the Whole thing.
The Other thing is that the game plan is
to be commercial from the first day of the
general plan. In fact we could zone them
commercial. We want stores backing up to
parking, so you have a larger basis. It's
hard to do with commercial businesses to
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#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
warrant someone coming in building more
buildings and bringing in more restaurants
when the neighborhood is not feasible.
Chairman Penna related that he agreed that
there wasn]t parking to be provided, but if
we go Bfter Baden Avenue we can.
City Planner Costanzo informed the Commission
that either we go forward and buy the Schumann
property, at this time Mr. Penna is not
anxious to sell or trade, but if we don't then
Schumann will want a permit to build.
Mr. Anderson commented that if you get new
construction in there you can't buy it.
Chairman Penna commented that the Schumann
property is commercial, getting the permits
excludes our developing.
City Planner Costanzo commented that he
could come forward to build subject to a use
permit. You must realize you have some
leverage providing you buy the Schumann
lot and the Penna lot, and then declare the
two corner lots surplus. When the Commission
met last time a swap was discussed. If you
don't get the Schumann property you will
have a hard time swapping. Then you take
your $75,000 and look on the 400 block.
Also if your surplus property was bull-
dozed some developer like Brosnan would be
more interested in swaping or buying properties
because of the cost of demolishing property.
City Planner Costanzo commented that the
financial picture looks good, so when we
get the Master Plan. back from D'Amico we
can turn Cypress into a parking lot and
would recommend turning Cypress into parking
from Baden Avenue past Bertolucci's. This
way you would have the benefit of filled
parking from 11:OO am to 3:00 pm because
of Bertolucci's. The other thing is to
convert Walnut to parking, this would have
you showing a higher income for bonds. This
would allow you to start buying lots and
building parking facilities. By increasing
your net revenue you are increasing your
borrowing capacity. COstanza asked that the
Commission adopt the Master Plan and then go
after the bonds~to buy the lots.
Chairman Penna asked which lots?
Cdty Planner Costanza replied the lots in
the Master Plan. Lots that have single
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#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
dwellings on them. You could get $125,000
to build and pave plus landscape say in
the 300 block.
Chairman Penna asked what this was leading
to. ·
City Planner Costanzo replied, you make the
expenditure' for the Schumann property and
authorize us to make a trade for the excess
lot on Miller and Maple for one or two lots
on the 400 block.
A discussion followed concerning grading
and building up on the Maple and Miller lots
as they are standard lots.
Chairman Penna stated the Commission had
a couple of alternatives. We can work
some trades with people that own property
on Baden Avenue and it still provides us
with the funds in our account that we don't
have to touch. He is not saying he is
interested or not interested in the Schumann
property.
City Planner Costanzo informed the Commission
they could not trade until the Police Dept.
moves.
Chairman Penna continued, in that for five
years the Commission has been calling the
400 block o~ Grand Ave. as the critical
parking area, yet we are getting no help
getting Council to come to our thinking -
and now the Schuman property is available.
Right now the greatest amount of potential
for the people employed.in the 300 block,
and there is a lot of older property there and
we are letting that slip by. As well as,
obtain the other lots by condemnation, and
you say Schumann wants $96,000 and we will
have to condemn, anyway.
Mr. Anderson explained to the Commission
that only the City Council could obtain
those properties as they are out of the
District.
City Planner Costanzo said this means that
you have to expand the District; and to do
so you need a master plan. From his stand-
point, he doesn't see priority.
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//2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
Chairman Penna related that he did not see
the difference between one side of the street
or the other. He thinks ~t depends on what
happens with the developer, i 'think the .......
potential~ of the 400 block is greater.
City Planner Costanzo said 'there was a
need for ten lots, five of which are in
the back, two of those have to be on the
four hundred block. We must move forward,
expeditiously, in buying the cheapest ones
we can get first. We need a tremendous
amount of money even now if you decided to
go ahead and buy.
A discussion followed on another lot
available on Maple and Miller, City
Planner Costanzo said it is $85,000 and
only a 40 foot lot. City Planner Costanzo
said you would have apartment houses on
the corner and the side. We don't have a
million dollars to spend here.
Commissioner Rosaia commented that you would .~
be able to buy the lots that have no structures
but without giving us a block priority. You
are talking about the Schumann, Penna, Lautze
properties and these are the only ones available
- a half a million dollars - and still no
property in the 400 block.
City Planner Costanzo explained that if you
buy the Schumann property and remodel the
street, you are going to have excess lots on
the street and you try to unilaterally trade
for the two lots on the 200 block. We are
here to advise you, we can understand your
problems on the 400 block.
Chairman Penna expressed concern over the
transfer of properties and a contractor having
built apartment houses, however the Parking
Place Commission knew nothing about the
properties being available. Then next door
the estate was settled, again we were never
notified. The entire parcel was sold-for
$1oo,o00.
City Planner Costanzo agreed that was the
price but added it cost another $40,000
each plus the cost of moving or all costs
incurred because of the occupants.
Chairman Penna replied even assuming the
tenants took four months to move .....
City Planner Costanzo agreed that you have
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#2 Acquisition of Property on .300
Block of Miller Avenue ~ Continued
to pay the tenants moving costs. The
reason it wasn't brought to you is because
you didn't have $400,000.
Chairman Penna said he personally felt it
would be' detrimental to the parking needs
of the community. As far as he is concerned
he can't say, why not go ahead and sell the
property and then go across the street and
pick up other property.
City Planner Costanzo would advise the
Commission not to sell any of the property
that is in back of the commercial property.
Chairman Penna expressed concern about
talking without a master plan and without
knowing what the consultants have come up
with, and we are being asked to move to
purchase a piece of property where there is
no agreement on'price. Then we are looking
at condemnation months down the line. Once
we move on it our funds are tied up if
something should come up on Baden or
anything else.
City Planner Costanzo replied that he
would have to put the Commission on notice,
because you will have destroyed a part of
the master plan. Secondly, he thinks you
will spend more money and by buying this
lot you have the leverage, unless the
Commission ihinks the lot on the corner
is useless.
Chairman Penna showed concern about doing
anything until he sees what the report
looks like. This is a nice price for
Mr. Schumann, let alone the cost of the
improvements.
City Planner Costanzo reported that Schumann
had hired an attorney and he would prefer
we condemn the property tomorrow.
Chairman Penna said the Commission had
appropriated $5,000 for a study. We are
not going to change the use of the land.
They will need a use permit - which he does
not think will be granted. So he does'not see
the need for speed.
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#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
City Planner Costanzo informed the Commission
that he came to them and was given an option
for the property for $100 and $5,000 for .the
study.
A discussi'on followed where the Commissioners
said they had not given permission for the
option theY thought the downtown revitalization
was doing it on its own. There had been talk
of a 90 day option.'
A search of prior minutes was made by
Mr. Anderson for any such permission, none
was found except for the $5,000 study.
City Planner Costanzo stated an option had
been executed.
Chairman Penna stated that if the Commission
moved, it is only going to be six months
down the line for condemnation. On the
18th of October you tell Schumann you are
not interested in the option. It is going
to take him two months to formulate plans
and another month to get a use permit.
Commissioner Rosaia said we can do that
because right now we do not have the master
plan. The Commission is therefor not
committed.
City Planner Costanzo stated that eventually
you have to'buy some lots. He has the feeling
the only place you want~to buy lots is on
the 400 block.
Chairman Penna stated that that sou6ded
like threats for which there is no substance.
City Planner Costanzo explained that in 45
days they could build an apartment house.
A discussion followed on the procedures for
use permits, public hearings, and protesting
of same. The amount of work and thought
City Planner Costanzo has done to develop
the parking was appreciated.
City Planner Costanzo stated that if the
Commission is not moving forward expeditiously,
then you should request a moratorium from
the Council until the Master Plan is developed.
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#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
Motion:
To proceed with investi-
gation of restriping of
Walnut and Cypress for
a cost not to exceed $5,000
Chairman Penna stated if you think we are
only interested in the 400 block take this
to Council - cut off Cypress and put in
diagonal parking.
City Planner Costanzo asked if the
Commission will bear the cost of striping
Cypress and Walnut.
Chairman Penna said that subsequent to a
cost like $5,000 - if you can guaranty a
cost under $5,000.
City Planner Costanzo said ultimately you
are going to have the cost of landscape
planters. Authorize the Parking Place
Commission to investigate the restriping
of Walnut and Cypress in accordance with
the Master Plan, and proceed if the cost
is not prohibitive.
Commissioner Rosaia made the above motion.
Commissioner Ruggeri seconded the motion.
Chairman Penna in discussion asked if they
would restripe 50 feet.
City Planner Costanzo stated that'Cypress
could be prohibitive, it must be studied,
but with Walnut we can go ahead.
A discussion followed on the feasibility
of doing one side of Cypress, doing diagonal
parking. City Planner Costanzo said they
would end up with a net total of two spaces
but if you do both sides you would gain 16
spaces. Commissioner Rosaia stated there
was no harm in letting them come back wi th
a cost that is not too prohibitive plus we
would like to see a preliminary design.
Chairman Penna called for a roll call on
the motion, and it was unanimous and passed.
He then asked City Planner Costanzo to'give
the Commission a preliminary plan and design.
Chairman Penna said he would like to make a
motion along the same lines - study the
feasibility of the lot on Baden (Mirri's)
and if you have some theory you come back
and discuss it with us.
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//2 Acquisition of Property on 3QO
Block of Miller Avenue -. Continued
City Planner Costanzo replied he would come
back and give estimates of the cost of buying
and demolishing, putting a second layer, it
might be more advantageous to the District
to tier it, you could make more.
A discussion followed on the lot on the 300
block of Baden (lot no. 251T. Mirri). The
elevation being low enough for three tiers.
You have another street access to the third
level and an exit and entrance. The avoidance
of ramps if at all possible commented
Mr. Anderson as they are prohibitive.in cost
City Planner CostanzO said he would rather
investigate the potential of the 400 block
and find out who the owners names are.
think your first priority is the 400 block.
Chairman Penna mentioned Terry Mir~'s lot
on Baden. City Planner Costanzo said he
didn't think the Commission could afford it.
The Commission stated this parking problem
must be taken care of before Grand Avenue
is torn up.
City Planner CostanzO reiterated that the
Commission had to make a motion one way or
another on this Schuman property. We have
asked you to come up with the $76,000 to
buy the property. The City may want to buy
it unilaterally from the General Fund.
Chairman Penna stated that for the last
few years you have tried to get Schumann's
property, and we have indicated we have
some interest, so Staff needs something from
us to go back to Council and this he has
been discussing with us.
City Planner Costanzo said the motion
should be that you don't want to buy the
property unless you have the downtown plan,
but we don't want to be foreclosed. The
Council should not allow any building until
the Master Plan is completed.
Chairman Penna said we also have the parking
needs when they develop Grand Ave. We
must investigate because of the elevation of
the Baden property, we could look at the
acquisition of the 25 ft. look with the
possibility of no ramps.
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#2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
City Planner Costanzo said the City Council
will not move forward for any lots until
the Master Plan is adopted and that would
be consistent with the things we are
discussing.
Chairman Penna said that ties in with the
Cypress and Walnut plans.
City Planner Costanzo said that is already
done. The second motion: we would acquire
the Schuman property and sell or swap property
on the Miller properties after the Police
Dept. leaves. The Schumann property should
be bought because realistically it is in the
grand scheme. If you move in that direction,
if you are going to hold that you ask the
Council to restrict all development in the
District until the Master Plan is completed.
Chairman Penna said that the first motion is
to be that no construction take place .
City Planner Costanz~o said the first ,r~tion is
that you table the purchase of the Schumann
property until after the parking master plan
and request City Council to freeze development
in the proposed downtown assessment district.
Chairman Penna defined from Tamarack to Baden.
City Planner Costanzo said to propose, down-
town Spruce to Airport, Tamarack to Baden.
In response to Commissioner Rosaia's query of
why Tamarack, Chairman Penna responded: the
opposite side of Miller won't be affected,
the other side of Miller has level spots
all along Miller except any new construction
that has already been approved. He noticed
some new development on Spruce and Grand
kitty-corner from the old hospital and
nothing would be affected at DeTomasi's.
City Planner Costanzo replied that DeTomasi
would have to get Council to lift the ban
on them. The Council has to be, by the
methodology - anybody affected by the mora-
torium would be affected. Schuman can come
forward and ask if the moratorium be lifted.
It would affect major builders only. The
Commission asked Staff to formulate the motion and
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//2 Acquisition of Property on 300
Block of Miller Avenue - Continued
Moti on:
Table the purchase of
Schumann property - freeze
development.
ADJOURNMENT:
City Planner Costanzo said table the
purchase of the Schuman property until the
Master Parking Plan is approved and request
the City Council to freeze development in
the proposed downtown assessment district~
bounded by Spruce Avenue to Airport Blvd.
from Tamarack Lane to Baden Ave.
Commissioner Rosaia made the motion that
the tabling of the purchase and the freeze
as above stated be a motion. Commissioner
Ruggeri seconded the motion.
Chairman Penna asked for a roll call of those
in favor, the vote was unanimous.
Chairman Penna adjourned the meeting at
5:35 p.m.
APPROVED:
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
Secretary
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